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| UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: MalcolmW
Date: 26-08-2005, 00:00 | I have attempted the 'pre-draw' into 8 groups of 10 and then looked at country protection issues that arise, involving, Greece (both Thessaloniki clubs!), Germany, Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and France. These can be resolved with minimal adjustments involving only 6 of the 8 groupings. The grouping I am interested in does not have any issues arising and need not be changed to balence other groups. If this proves to be correct then the second grouping has as seeds: Roma, Sevilla, Slavia Praha, Hamburg and Bolton Wanderers, and as non-seeds: Sporting Braga, CSKA Sofia, Germinal Beerschoot, Midtjylland and MyPa. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: sampfan83
Date: 26-08-2005, 04:59 | MalcolmW, I am sorry to disappoint you but I found a way to distribute the teams from last year's draw achieving country protection with a lesser standard deviation. Therefore, I believe, it is simply a computer software at UEFA that follows certain procedures after the team rankings are entered. I guess these procedures are somehow related to an algorithm that starts checking for country protection from the very first group of 10 and it "simply" fixes the places of the teams adequately all the way down... However, even though it might make sense otherwise, aiming at ranking positions asverage in each of the groups of ten, is not what is the ultimate goal. Sadly enough, there is no one to explain it to us in details. Still, I think it will not be quite fair if there is an algorythm behind the scene that doesn't eventually try to produce the 8 groups as competitive as possible. And I think this is the case... Otherwise, being Bulgarian, and a great fan of CSKA and I hope the proposed seedings in the other forum are wrong at least a bit so that CSKA is situated in another of the groups... |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: peter
Date: 26-08-2005, 08:18 | i beleve its a computer draw making this. In the other hand, no human should be alow to make such separations between the teams. Corect ? Should be fair. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: sampfan83
Date: 26-08-2005, 12:24 | peter, when a computer is doing the draw it makes so using a human programmed software. That follows an algorythm that is predetermined in a way the programmer did the software. In other words, it is after all human beings that have decided what will be the exact procedure in details... |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: ignjat63
Date: 26-08-2005, 12:34 | sampfan83, I wonder what is the engine of their Randomize function. For example, I am not at all pleased with Randomize function in EXCELL. And I suppose they must use SOME kind of randomize function in deciding pre-draw groups. I mean some randomize functions seem to be more randomize than the others. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: Kronsky
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:14 Edited by: Kronsky at: 26-08-2005, 13:22 | And here we go... Auxerre - Levski (not to good for Auxerre  Metalurg - PAOK, not easy game... Grasshopers - MyPa?????  CSKA - Leverkusen ... what a game it will be!!! compaired with Grass-Mypa... Good draw for Dnipro... Osasuna - Rennes...YEEEES! |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: Lio
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:39 | good draw for rennes. |
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| Author: ignjat63
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:41 | Crvena Zvezda - Braga... 70:30 chances for Braga. Maccabi - Partizan 50:50 chances |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: Toenne
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:43 | Chances for German Teams Hamburger SV-FC Kopenhagen 58-42% Bayer Leverkusen-ZSKA Sofia 60-40 Mainz 05-FC Sevilla 40-60 VfB Stuttgart-NK Domzale 97-3 Hertha BSC-Apoel Nikosia 95-5 |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: Red_Star
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:47 | ignjat63 : 70 - 30 Braga??? haha , we will eat them on Marakana! |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: Shadow_PG
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:50 | Macabi-Partizan wauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: ignjat63
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:54 | Weeeel, Red Star has ability to score but has a very poor defence indeed. I fear it will prevail. We are sure to receive some stupid goals. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 26-08-2005, 13:55 | Good draw for turkish teams : Besiktas JK - Malmö FF Tromso - Galatasaray  |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2005, 14:00 | After draw we can say for sure that Czech will lose 2 teams, Russia - 1, Israel - 1. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 26-08-2005, 14:06 | What about greek teams ? Metalurg Donetsk - PAOK Thessaloniki Middlesbrough - Xanthi FC Aris Thessaloniki - AS Roma Zenit St. Petersburg - AEK Athens Good luck to them |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: forbsey
Date: 26-08-2005, 14:07 | AJ Auxerre - Levski Sofia 60-40 Hanmurger SV - FC København 55-45 Slavia Praha - Cork City 80-20 Metalurg Donetsk - PAOK Thessaloniki 50-50 Dinamo Bucuresti - Everton 40-60 MyPa-47 - Grasshopper-Club Zürich 30-70 Red Star Belgrade - Sporting Braga 60-40 Germinal Beerschot - Olympique Marseille 20-80 Bayer Leverkusen - CSKA Sofia 60-40 CSKA Moscow - FC Midtjylland 70-30 Vitória Setúbal - Sampdoria 50-50 Sevilla - FSV Mainz 05 70-30 FC Basel - Siroki Brijeg 80-20 Feyenoord - Rapid Bucuresti 60-40 Hibernian - Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 30-70 Stade Rennais - CA Osasuna 40-60 Vitória Guimarães - Wisla Kraków 40-60 Krylia Sovetov Samara - AZ Alkmaar 30-70 VfB Stuttgart - NK Domzale 80-20 Vålerengen IF - Steaua Bucuresti 50-50 Grazer AK - RC Strasbourg 50-50 Lokomotiv Moscow - SK Brann Bergen 60-40 Palermo - Anorthosis Famagusta 60-40 Halmstads BK - Sporting CP Lisbon 20-80 Middlesbrough - Xanthi FC 80-20 Maccabi Petah-Tikva - Partizan Belgrade 30-70 Aris Thessaloniki - AS Roma 25-75 Besiktas - Malmö FF 80-20 FC Lovech - Racing Genk 40-60 Baník Ostrava - Heerenveen 40-60 Hertha BSC - APOEL Nicosia 70-30 FK Teplice - Espanyol 30-70 AS Monaco - Willem II 80-20 Viking Stavanger - Austria Wien 50-50 Brøndby IF - FC Zürich 70-30 RC Lens - Groclin Grodzisk 70-30 Tromsø IL - Galatasaray 20-80 Bolton Wanderers - Lokomotiv Plovdiv 80-20 Shakhtar Donetsk - DVSC Debrecen 60-40 Zenit St. Petersburg - AEK Athens 20-80 |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: MichaelCollins
Date: 26-08-2005, 14:16 | Dnipro v Hibs is a good tie for both clubs since either could win. I know Dnipro will probably be counted as the favourites but the underdog status will probably count in there favour. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: alexx
Date: 26-08-2005, 14:25 | AJ Auxerre - Levski Sofia 60-40 Hanmurger SV - FC København 70-30 Slavia Praha - Cork City 80-20 Metalurg Donetsk - PAOK Thessaloniki 51-49 Dinamo Bucuresti - Everton 35-65 MyPa-47 - Grasshopper-Club Zürich 35-65 Red Star Belgrade - Sporting Braga 60-40 Germinal Beerschot - Olympique Marseille 30-70 Bayer Leverkusen - CSKA Sofia 60-40 CSKA Moscow - FC Midtjylland 80-20 Vitória Setúbal - Sampdoria 40-60 Sevilla - FSV Mainz 05 70-30 FC Basel - Siroki Brijeg 90-10 Feyenoord - Rapid Bucuresti 60-40 Hibernian - Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk 30-70 Stade Rennais - CA Osasuna 35-65 Vitória Guimarães - Wisla Kraków 49-51 Krylia Sovetov Samara - AZ Alkmaar 45-55 VfB Stuttgart - NK Domzale 95-5 Vålerengen IF - Steaua Bucuresti 45-55 Grazer AK - RC Strasbourg 45-55 Lokomotiv Moscow - SK Brann Bergen 65-35 Palermo - Anorthosis Famagusta 75-25 Halmstads BK - Sporting CP Lisbon 25-75 Middlesbrough - Xanthi FC 80-20 Maccabi Petah-Tikva - Partizan Belgrade 5-95 Aris Thessaloniki - AS Roma 40-60 Besiktas - Malmö FF 75-25 FC Lovech - Racing Genk 45-55 Baník Ostrava - Heerenveen 40-60 Hertha BSC - APOEL Nicosia 70-30 FK Teplice - Espanyol 30-70 AS Monaco - Willem II 75-25 Viking Stavanger - Austria Wien 45-55 Brøndby IF - FC Zürich 55-45 RC Lens - Groclin Grodzisk 70-30 Tromsø IL - Galatasaray 30-70 Bolton Wanderers - Lokomotiv Plovdiv 60-40 Shakhtar Donetsk - DVSC Debrecen 60-40 Zenit St. Petersburg - AEK Athens 55-45 |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2005, 18:29 | Dnipro v Hibs is a good tie for both clubs since either could win. I know Dnipro will probably be counted as the favourites but the underdog status will probably count in there favour. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Here Hibees aren't considered as a problem. Actually everyone think they are best draw from those 5 teams and wants Dnipro to take all points. But miracles happen. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: eoinh
Date: 26-08-2005, 19:09 | Ive seen Hibs recently and they were useless. Cork City played them in a recent friendly with four first teamers. We went three nil up at half time and then took all our players off and put on youngsters. Hibs then came back and drew 3-3 in normal time. Cork won the penalty shoot out but with our full team we would have trounced them. I cant see you having any trouble with Hibs to be honest. |
| Re: UEFA Cup draw | |
| Author: forbsey
Date: 26-08-2005, 23:52 Edited by: forbsey at: 27-08-2005, 00:05 | Hibs had a total reserve team for that game against Cork City. Also, Cork were well into there season whereas Hibs hadn't even kicked a ball yet. Furthermore, that game meant more to Cork because you because you wanted to prove that you could compete at that level (which is ludicrous) whereas Hibs were just looking to build up fitness. Cork didn't half fall apart when Hibs brought on there best players in the second half. Having said all of that I dont think the Hibees have much of a chance against Dnipro from what is an ever improving Ukrainian league. Likewise, I cant see the mighty Cork City doing anything against Slavia Prague. |