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| Belgium will be 9th at the end of the season ! | |
| Author: naaba
Date: 25-08-2005, 22:46 | Genk won 3-0 and Dundee is out (0-0 2-2 against Mypa). Belgium has 4 teams and Scotland 2. Currently, here is the ranking : 8 Greece 11.250 7.166 4.166 6.166 1.166 29.914 6/ 6 9 Scotland 6.625 7.375 7.375 4.750 1.625 27.750 3/ 4 10 Belgium 5.875 6.875 5.875 6.125 2.750 27.500 4/ 4 11 Turkey 5.625 4.666 6.500 5.375 1.250 23.416 3/ 4 Turkey is too far away to hope take 9th position. Belgium are now favourite for the 9th position and why not 8th ? |
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| Author: exile
Date: 25-08-2005, 22:54 | Whilst I have to agree 9th place for Belgium is looking more than likely, Greece haven't really started yet. Dundee United should be sent to Siberia for that performance. They were leading 2-0 with 16 minutes to go and drew 2-2. To think that I have actually watched them play in a UEFA Cup Final! |
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| Author: shrike
Date: 25-08-2005, 22:56 | 8th place will be difficult after the draw this afternoon. Anderlecht and Brugge won't get many points and even a third place in the group is really in danger. |
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| Author: ianmorrison
Date: 26-08-2005, 01:07 | Scotland will just aim for 10th this season I think and hope that the CL winner is qualified for group stages through their league place. I think that would mean Scotlands champions would go into GS and 2nd into 3rd QR. I think Belgium will run away with 9th although Anderlecht do have a group of death! Scotland will also hope to have a chance of going for 9th/10th again in 2007. Next season will likely see Hearts back in Europe after major strengthening and they would have more chance to help Scotlands coefficient. |
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| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 26-08-2005, 01:13 Edited by: Maluyaca at: 26-08-2005, 08:19 | I think Belgium will beat Scotland but they have more to worry about Russia and the Ukraine. They look to be far away but they have some good teams (with oilmoney?) that are in Uefa cup. And I'm not sure if the Belgium teams will collect much more points. Anderlecht are going for the 0/36 in CL and Brugge maybe 7/18. Genk and GBA it depends on the draw for the first round if they will reach the groupstage and earn the right to play 4 more matches |
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| Author: ianmorrison
Date: 26-08-2005, 21:31 | Ukraine and Russia are surely too far behind Belgium to catch up this year and Scotland have no chance with 2 teams out already. Belgium are almost sure of 9th. |
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| Author: Osirius
Date: 26-08-2005, 21:45 | Do not agree. Belgium after this draw has very little chances to collect points.Only Genk seems to me has opportunities to go through Liteks(and even here I'm not sure).May be Brugge has chances to beat Rapid and to be in UEFA.Anderlecht and Germinal will hardly collect more than 2 points. Russia has good chances to have 3 teames in GS in UEFA,so my prediction is Russia to take this year 9th. place. |
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| Author: ianmorrison
Date: 26-08-2005, 21:53 Edited by: ianmorrison at: 26-08-2005, 21:54 | Maybe Russia have a chance but Ukraine definitely not. Russia will need to pick up alot of points to catch up as Bruges and Anderlecht will surely score some points. The gap at the moment is 4.7pts which means Russia will need 18pts more in team ranking. That is 9 extra wins which I think will prove too much this year. It will be interesting to watch though! I just hope Scotland can hold onto 10th and give ourselves a chance of automatic spot in CL GS. |
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| Author: exile
Date: 26-08-2005, 22:20 | Neither Ukraine nor Russia have any teams in the Group stage of the ECL. Turkey have a much better chance of overtaking Scotland in 10th place. My own prediction is 8.Greece - about 38.000 9.Belgium - 37 10.Scotland - 31 11.Turkey - 30 12.Czech Rep - 29 13.Russia - 28 14.Ukraine - 25 It should be very close between Austria and Switzerland for 15th place Netherlands could overtake Portugal in 6th place: and Germany look like finishing ahead of France in 4th place. |
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| Author: JPV
Date: 26-08-2005, 23:41 | Belgium has 1 big problem: their teams in the CL aren't likely to score a lot of points... but we'll see what my country can do  . If at least one team end 3rd (Bruges?), we might get some points."Germinal Beerschot Antwerpen (= GBA)" won't get a lot of points in the UEFA cup, Racing Genk should at least survive this round... These are the UEFA Cup games important for 8th place: FC Lovech Bul Racing Genk Bel |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2005, 23:42 | 37.000 for Belgium is great one prediction of very interesting person(ussually called - idiot). You want them to collect 10.000 more points? Giving 13.000 for the season? You should visit a doctor right now. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 26-08-2005, 23:53 | I think in UEFA cup Belgium clubs will collect 5 points maximum - all Genks. Anderlecht - 2 points (Very optimistic prediction remembering last years 0 points for Anderlecht and Beveren), Brugge -3 points. And 50-50 for Brugge to get UEFA cup spot. Belgium should have 5.500 - 6.000 this sesaon. Total coeff 30.000-30.500 (+ - 1.000) |
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| Author: rbr
Date: 27-08-2005, 10:52 | bad result for scotland with dundee utd going out but anderlecht and germinal look doomed , mind you liverpool without gerrard seem very ordinary . so it may come down to a straight fight between brugge/rangers and genk/hibs , it will be very interesting . i take it the 9th spot gives automatic qualification to c/l proper |
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| Author: AnorthosisFC
Date: 27-08-2005, 13:06 | No chance for 8th place this year! Greece has 6/6 teams right now and only Panathinaikos played two games until now! |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 27-08-2005, 13:52 | I think Greece could be even in worse situation then Belgium. With Aris and Xhanti surely out and AEK and PAOK are 50-50. Panathinaikos - doomed, and Olympiakos are 50-50 for third(just like Belgium). And don't forget that points divided by 6. Surely their coeff will be lower then Belgium this year but would it be enough? |
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| Author: Osirius
Date: 27-08-2005, 13:57 | About Greece. As I said Greece will obtain it's 8th place this year but really doubt it will manage to do it in a year. Look at the draw: PAOK - Matallurg Donetsk 50-50,51-49,45-55 Middlesborough - Xanthi 80-20,80-20,75-25 Roma - Aris 75-25,60-40,75-25 Zenith - AEK 20-80,55-45,45-55 and so on.... it's not my prediction According to this already 2 clubs are out other two are not clear. Last year in UEFA Cup Zenith beat in Peterbirg AEK 5-1 then in the last group match in Athens Zenith was enough AEk not to lose to Alemania but it lost 0-2.It was clear that AEK for some reasons  just didn't play this game.So for Zenit there are some more reasons to go through theis stage of UEFA Cup. |
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| Author: seso
Date: 28-08-2005, 15:39 | Roma can play with its third team and still qualify against Aris. They had big problems last year (they were relagated) and they have even more this year. Xanthi is a good team!! Middlesbrough will have problems!! Generally tough draw for all 6 teams... |
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| Author: timbo
Date: 30-08-2005, 00:39 | i remember the words of coach José Mourinho (chelsea) "Liverpool is not a danger for this group, anderlecht and betis are" The chances are realistic that liverpool will not gain a single point from chelsea, just because they are english rivals. Actually, chelsea is the fauvourite to win the group with 18 points!! (And then you get an realy open group - 3 teams playing for 3 places) This year there were a lot of surprises in the qualification-rounds Who knows what can happen next... eg if anderlecht can establish to manage 1 point in chelsea (just imagine...) Then you can be sure that chelsea has to make up those lost points to the others in the group (liverpool, betis) Big names gives also a lot of pressure Maybe I am 'dreaming' to hard , but life is unpredictableThere is not something like fixed statistics/results small chanches are also chances BTW: Ukraine & Russia had a superb year (last year), but I do not see them repeat these results this year and see them gain the 9th spot (they did not get that much points in the qualification-rounds) |
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| Author: timbo
Date: 30-08-2005, 01:27 Edited by: timbo at: 30-08-2005, 02:03 | I noticed that belgium have difficult games, but other countries as well... 9 Scotland 1.750 27.875 2/ 4 -------------------------------------------- uc -- Hibernian Sco Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Ukr CL -- Glasgow Rangers Sco FC Porto Por Internazionale Ita Glasgow Rangers Sco Glasgow Rangers Sco FC Petrzalka Svk 8 matches 10 Belgium 3.000 27.750 4/ 4 -------------------------------------------- uc -- Germinal Beerschot Bel Olympique Marseille Fra FC Lovech Bul Racing Genk Bel CL -- Club Brugge Bel Juventus Ita Bayern München Ger Club Brugge Bel Rapid Wien Aut Club Brugge Bel Chelsea Eng Anderlecht Bel Anderlecht Bel Real Betis Esp Anderlecht Bel Liverpool Eng 16 matches 11 Turkey 1.500 23.666 3/ 4 -------------------------------------------- uc -- Besiktas Tur Malmö FF Swe Tromsø IL Nor Galatasaray Tur CL -- AC Milan Ita Fenerbahçe Tur Fenerbahçe Tur PSV Eindhoven Ned Fenerbahçe Tur Schalke 04 Ger 10 matches 12 Russia 1.250 23.083 4/ 4 -------------------------------------------- uc -- CSKA Moscow Rus FC Midtjylland Den SK Brann Bergen Nor Lokomotiv Moscow Rus Krylia Sovetov Samara Rus AZ Alkmaar Ned Zenit St. Petersburg Rus AEK Athens Gre 8 matches 13 Czech Republic 1.125 23.075 4/ 4 -------------------------------------------- uc -- Slavia Praha Cze Cork City Irl Baník Ostrava Cze Heerenveen Ned FK Teplice Cze Espanyol Esp CL -- Sparta Praha Cze Ajax Ned FC Thun Sui Sparta Praha Cze Sparta Praha Cze Arsenal Eng 12 matches 14 Ukraine 1.250 22.100 3/ 4 -------------------------------------------- uc -- PAOK Thessaloniki Gre Metalurg Donetsk Ukr Hibernian Sco Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk Ukr Shakhtar Donetsk Ukr DVSC Debrecen Hun 6 matches |
| Re: Belgium will be 9th at the end of the season ! | |
| Author: Osirius
Date: 30-08-2005, 01:35 Edited by: Osirius at: 30-08-2005, 01:35 | timbo About AEK Turkey is cool ) |
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| Author: timbo
Date: 30-08-2005, 02:05 | I edited it, thnx for warning me Now it seems even better for belgium |
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| Author: kurt
Date: 30-08-2005, 18:44 | belgium has no problems for being 9th, i only fear turkey.They have teams that can go to the final in uefacup, i only hope that at least anderlecht or brugge will become 3th in their group |
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| Author: downbhoy
Date: 31-08-2005, 16:21 | Wouldnt have given Hibs much hope till they won 3-0 at Ibrox on Saturday. If they can get through in the Ukraine and into the group stage the race is still back on although you have to say the odds are with the Belgians. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 31-08-2005, 17:33 | Wouldn't say that Scotland have chances even if Hibs will get through. |
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| Author: exile
Date: 31-08-2005, 17:51 | Of course Hibs beating Dnipro would make a big difference, as they would have 4 extra games, minimum, from the UC group stage. However I wouldn't put their chances above 40%. Rangers need to aim for the UC. This would probably give them more points than reaching R2 of the CL, though they won't see it this way! In other words - make sure they beat Artmedia. I'm not even 100% confident of that. |
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| Author: porto-1978
Date: 31-08-2005, 18:33 | My predictions for country rankings at the end of the season: 8. Greece ...........33,914 9. Belgium ..........31,750 10. Turkey ..........30,916 11. Scotland ........30,375 12. Russia ..........29,083 13. Czech Republic ..28,075 14. Ukraine .........25,850 15. Austria .........23,500 16. Switzerland .....22,875 Just for fun! |
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| Author: seso
Date: 01-09-2005, 21:07 Edited by: seso at: 01-09-2005, 21:08 | Aris Thessaloniki got eliminated from this year's Greek Cup by 3rd division club Panthrakikos!! Problems problems... Good chance for Roma to use newly-acquired goalkeeper Eleftheropoulos (ex-Olympiakos goalkeeper) in their tie... |
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| Author: akis71
Date: 03-09-2005, 17:32 | Greece will certainly keep 8th place but will have problems next year. Greek teams had too bad draw and i dont expect them to earn lot of points. Xanthi and Aris were unseeded and would have surely had a strong opponent but were drawn against the worse possible for them so not only they will be eliminated but probably will loose boht games. AEK and PAOK were seeded but were drawn against the stronger unseeded teams of group Panathinaikos was in pot 2 of CL so could have very good chances to qualify at top 16 but Werder was one of the teams of pot 3 that wanted to avoid and Udineze was one of the stronger teams of pot 4 so instead of having advantage to qualify to top 16 is not even sure about taking 3rd place and continue to uefa cup Olympiakos had the best drawing of all teams but still will be hard to qualify to top 16. Althought it is pretty sure than will get 3rd place. |
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| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 03-09-2005, 18:07 | I think that after the 1st round of the uefa cup, we will see more clearly.. |
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| Author: iwan
Date: 03-09-2005, 23:03 | Yes, when Belgium becomes 9-th in the ranking they'll gonne loose 2 off their 4 UC-spots. I've my doubts that will be fair but it can gonne happen!!! I've realy my doubt the nr-8 has 4 UC-spots and the nr-9 two. And the're so many otter possiblities!!! |
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| Author: JPV
Date: 05-09-2005, 07:19 | Yes, when Belgium becomes 9-th in the ranking they'll gonne loose 2 off their 4 UC-spots. I've my doubts that will be fair but it can gonne happen!!! ?? Now "we" have 2 CL(qualies) spots, and 2 UC spots... we won't lose 2 UC spots . |
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| Author: iwan
Date: 05-09-2005, 15:30 | It dosn't matter with position Beglium had the last years. But it's very unfair the nr-8 has 4 spots and the nr-9 two!! Beglium,Scotland,Russia,Turkey and Greece many times switch between the 8-th and 9-th place. And Holand gonne introduce play-off, what to do when they become 9-th the hole play-off-system goes at the 'helling'!! It's better to give the nrs-9 to -15, maybe -9 to -24 each one spot more!!! There must be come otter possiblities than there now are!! |
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| Author: Reg
Date: 15-09-2005, 22:14 | Situation is very interesting - Russia got 1,75 points - Belgium -0,5 |
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| Author: kurt
Date: 15-09-2005, 22:37 | bad day for turkey, disappointing besiktas and galatasaray |
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| Author: Maluyaca
Date: 16-09-2005, 00:04 | Points this week if my calculations are right Greece = 0.333 Scotland = 0.750 Belgium = 0.500 Turkey = 0 Russia = 1.750 Tsjechië = 1.500 Ukraine = 1.000 8 Greece ......... 30.247 6/6 9 Scotland ....... 28.625 2/4 10 Belgium ....... 28.250 4/4 11 Russia ........ 24.883 4/4 12 Czech Republic. 24.575 4/4 13 Turkey ........ 23.666 3/4 14 Ukraine ....... 23.100 3/4 |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 16-09-2005, 00:55 | As I said before Greece have good chances to lose all their UEFA cup teams. Maybe only AEK will stay. And with Olympiakos lost crucial match for third place. And with points divided by 6. Of course they are far away but this year will affect 4 next years - so bad perspective. Scotland in dubious position. Hibernian is maximum 50-50. Nice team - if they'll manage to get to the groups - it would be loads of points. If they'll stay only with Rangers - could be extremely bad season. Czech - no question - got the maximum from hard situation they was in. Will be great season for them without a doubt. With certain conditions they can sneak 10-th position. Same for Russia. Turkey - ooooh. Didn't except that much problems. But Besiktas and Gala strong and could go both throw. If not.... Fener is not a team to get much points. Ukraine after todays matches and loses of countries above can dream now about making hard base this year to take part in battle for 10-th next years as they will lose lesser coefficient. My prediction: 8.Greece 9.Czech 10.Russia With later expansion by Russia up to 6. Greece out of 10 in 2 years. Czech reached their maximum potential with 9-th place. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 16-09-2005, 01:15 | Crap that we'll have for next year table. (prediction for this years coef): 8 Russia 22.500 (very good) 9 Belgium 22.375 (average) 10 Scotland 22.000 (bad) 11 Ukraine 19.475 (good) 12 Czech Republic 19.075 (very good) 13 Greece 18.998 (very bad) 14 Turkey 18.041 (very bad) Obivious problems for Turkey and Greece, great perspective for Russia, solid hope for Ukraine. I think Dnipro-Hibernian is very important tie for future 10-th place battles. |
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| Author: iwan
Date: 16-09-2005, 02:50 | Yes, It's to grazy for words the nr-8 has 2 spots more than the nr-9!!!! So many sorrows about so less difference!!! |
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| Author: seso
Date: 16-09-2005, 09:30 Edited by: seso at: 16-09-2005, 09:31 | Among this crazyness of european football, I would like to inform the forum members about a much lighter incident!!! we are so happy for you |
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| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 16-09-2005, 11:37 | Turkish team were very bad this week..but I still believe that Besiktas and Galatasaray will reach the group stage,and if Fenerbahçe win PSV,they can reach at least Uefa cup... Malmö and Tromso are very weak teams, Malmö won because they were lucky, and Tromso thanks to the weather conditions and the field.. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 16-09-2005, 12:56 | we are so happy for you ------------------------------------------------------------------ Are we? Don't think so. |
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| Author: anita
Date: 16-09-2005, 13:11 | bjkman1903, Malmo FF is a strong team with ambitions. I presume Tromso will be smashed by Gala in Istanbul, but please, both teams played on the same turf and the same weather conditions yesterday. Gala played lousy and can only blame themselves for a lousy result. |
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| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 16-09-2005, 13:43 | And what about the referee ?  |
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| Author: helvete
Date: 16-09-2005, 15:30 | bjkman1903 Come on. Malmö ff lucky?? We played outstandingly in defence. Besiktas had two clear chances in the whole game. And they were rather easily saved by Asper. The rest of their chances were longshots. We had 2 clear chanses also. But we scored on one of them. And we really should have scored on the second as well. Besiktas can win in Malmö, but they really has too step up alevel or two top do that. I was not impressed att all by them. Actually Turkish teams dont impress me at all. They buy expensive players and "high profile" names but still they dont manage anything. Their results are ridiculous. |
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| Author: bjkman1903
Date: 16-09-2005, 15:58 | You're right, we played very bad..but the goal of Malmö was a little bit by luck..Congrulations for you're victory, but it's not over yet Good luck in you're championship The second leg will be different, I don't think you'll play defensive at home..Ailton will play this time, and Okan too We don't played our best game against Malmö, but if you want to see our strengh, wait Sunday (Besiktas - Fenerbahçe..) |
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| Author: helvete
Date: 16-09-2005, 22:21 | bjkman1903 Youre absolutely right when you say it isnt over. Actually I still hold you guys as favourites to go through. But it was a good win for us and it sure looks a little bit better for us now. I must disagree with you a little bit though. With this result I dont see us playing more offensively in the second leg, even if it is at home. And why should we? We dont need to score, you do. And this is the way for swedish teams to play in europe. Otherwise we are gone. I dont like Ailton so much, but Okan is a good player. But hey we will have our captain Daniel Andersson back as well. Anyway good luck against Fenerbahce. |
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| Author: Krys
Date: 17-09-2005, 00:21 | For Russia AEK - Zenit is very important game. Cause if Zenit will go to the GS they can earn many points and Greece will be in trouble. If not only CSKA and Lokomotiv will remain from Russia. It will be a good season though but not as great as the last. |
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| Author: walter-wade
Date: 17-09-2005, 00:56 | i think that Galatasaray Istanbul won't have any difficulty to make at least 3-4 goal differences versus Tromso in Istanbul. But Besiktas Istanbul has approx. 15-20%chance to qualify for the group stages after a defeat in their stadium.I think the revenge will end with a goalless draw.. The 9th place competition will be between Scotland and Belgium but Scotland has only Rangers that continues this year because Hibernian Edinbrough will probably loose an Ukraine and will be eliminated. And Glasgow Rangers has no way to increase coef. points of Scotland by itself only. |