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| EURO 2008 seedings (III) | |
| Author: flob
Date: 18-08-2005, 21:44 | standing after yesterdays matches:Assoziation '06 Points Matches Coeff. total no big changes (see old topic, Slovakia fell behind Denmark into pot 4, Russia almost lost his chances to advance to pot 2. |
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| Author: Sami.Jukkasjarvi
Date: 19-08-2005, 15:01 | Thanks! |
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| Author: Lio
Date: 19-08-2005, 15:16 | sorry but the points system is the same as european cup (with clubs)? 2 pt for a win ....? |
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| Author: Michele
Date: 19-08-2005, 15:24 | The seedings are based on the actual groups as well as the groups from EURO2004 qualification. So it's 3 points for a win and 1 for a draw and then the total number of points is divided with the total number of games to give a number between 0-3. And in this ranking teams can both increase their number of points or lose points according to results. For all teams in the top 5 pots, a draw or loss will decrease the ranking while a win will increase the ranking. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 19-08-2005, 20:55 | thx Michele, well explained! I just spotted one little mistake in my table, the column '06 should show for Sweden a coefficient of 2.500 (not -). The reason I included this column is that it is used as tiebreaker for equal total coefficients (see article 6.03 in the Regulations of EURO 2008). Normally UEFA uses the same system for the seeding of the World Cup Qualifiers. Interesting is, they didn't do it last time, at least not regarding the tiebreaker. The pots for the seeding of the WC qualifiers 2006 should have looked like this: G Pts gd '02 G Pts gd '04 G Pts gdt TotBut in the draw actually Poland was in pot 2 instead of Bulgaria and Austria in pot 3 instead of Ukraine. Calculating various possibilities, the only explanation I could find is that they used the 2002 qualifiers as tiebreaker and not the 'most recent' 2004 results as usual. I don't know the reason, probably just one of the numerous mistakes UEFA made when calculating coefficients and allocating seedings, but maybe FIFA wanted it that way (using 'their' tournament as tiebreaker). Maybe people of the countries concerned remember if there was any rumour about that draw (December 2003). Greetings Flob |
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| Author: nitsansh
Date: 20-08-2005, 03:45 | In Poland's case they might have used goals difference as tie-breaker, but that doesn't explain Austria... |
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| Author: nitsansh
Date: 20-08-2005, 04:19 | Do these figures include play off matches??? |
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| Author: Edgar
Date: 20-08-2005, 09:49 | No. Playoff matches do not count. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 20-08-2005, 16:39 | as Edgar said, playoff matches do not count, so they are not included. (but it would make no difference, Poland and Bulgaria had no playoff matches in 2002 and 2004 qualifiers, Austria lost both games in 2002 against Turkey, Ukraine draw one against Germany). |
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| Author: nitsansh
Date: 20-08-2005, 17:36 | I don't see any reference in the rules that play off matches are not included. Where did you get that from? |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 20-08-2005, 17:57 | It's indeed not clear from the rules, but they haven't been included in previous draws, so it would be logical that they aren't included now. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 20-08-2005, 18:18 | nitsansh, You are right, this is not explicitely stated in the regulations, but UEFA uses this system since the 2000 qualifiers and published the coefficients f.e. before the draw for 2004 (sorry, can't find that document anymore, but see this link) and playoff matches never were included. AFAIK, they didn't publish the coefficients before the WC 2006 draw, just the pots and these were according to that system despite of the tiebreaker rule. |
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| Author: AnorthosisFC
Date: 23-08-2005, 21:52 | Why Greece is on TOP?! Does Greece has to give play off games to qualify or not because it's the European Champions? If they qualify the will be in the group with the strongs? Please someone explain! Rangers - Anorthosis = 0-2 |
| Re: EURO 2008 seedings (III) | |
| Author: flob
Date: 23-08-2005, 22:52 | Greece has to play qualification, but as titleholder they are top seed disregarding their coefficient. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 04-09-2005, 00:36 | standings after 2005-09-03:Assoziation Coeff. 06 Points Matches Coeff. total Changes: Italy lost it's chance to advance to pot 1. Romania in pot 2 instead of Ukraine. Norway in pot 3 instead of Belgium. detailed analysis after wednesday matches ...  |
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| Author: sampfan83
Date: 04-09-2005, 00:41 Edited by: sampfan83 at: 04-09-2005, 01:18 | that's the way I estimated the seedings for the pots of EURO 2008 draw. I hope I have no mistakes: Assoziation '06 Points Matches Coeff. total 1 Greece 1,667 33 17 1,941 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 2 England 2,714 39 15 2,600 3 Netherlands 2,778 44 17 2,588 4 Portugal 2,556 23 9 2,556 5 Czech Republic 2,333 43 17 2,529 6 France 1,857 37 15 2,467 7 Croatia 2,714 35 15 2,333 ------------------------------------------------------------ 8 Sweden 2,571 35 15 2,333 9 Germany 0,000 18 8 2,250 10 Poland 2,625 34 16 2,125 11 Italy 2,000 31 15 2,067 12 Spain 1,857 30 15 2,000 13 Turkey 1,700 36 18 2,000 14 Romania 2,000 36 19 1,895 ------------------------------------------------------------ 15 Ukraine 2,400 34 18 1,889 16 Russia 2,000 32 17 1,882 17 Serbia & Mont. 2,143 27 15 1,800 18 Norway 1,714 26 15 1,733 19 Latvia 1,400 30 18 1,667 20 Bulgaria 1,143 25 15 1,667 21 Slovakia 2,000 28 17 1,647 ------------------------------------------------------------ 22 Denmark 1,444 28 17 1,647 23 Ireland 1,857 24 15 1,600 24 Hungary 1,857 24 15 1,600 25 Belgium 1,143 24 15 1,600 26 Bosnia-Herz. 1,429 23 15 1,533 27 Slovenia 1,286 23 15 1,533 28 Scotland 1,000 21 15 1,400 ------------------------------------------------------------ 29 Finland 1,444 23 17 1,353 30 Israel 1,500 21 16 1,313 31 Lithuania 1,286 19 15 1,267 32 Estonia 1,400 22 18 1,222 33 Albania 1,200 20 18 1,111 34 Iceland 0,500 17 16 1,063 35 Wales 0,286 15 15 1,000 ------------------------------------------------------------ 36 Georgia 1,000 16 17 0,941 37 Cyprus 0,571 12 15 0,800 38 Macedonia 0,800 14 18 0,778 39 Moldova 0,714 11 15 0,733 40 Belarus 1,000 10 15 0,667 41 Armenia 0,400 11 18 0,611 42 North. Ireland 0,857 9 15 0,600 ------------------------------------------------------------ 43 Azerbaijan 0,250 6 16 0,375 44 Liechtenstein 0,500 6 18 0,333 45 Andorra 0,500 5 18 0,278 46 Faroe Islands 0,125 2 16 0,125 46 Malta 0,125 2 16 0,125 48 Kazakhstan 0,000 0 8 0,000 49 San Marino 0,000 0 15 0,000 50 Luxembourg 0,000 0 16 0,000 |
| Re: EURO 2008 seedings (III) | |
| Author: sampfan83
Date: 04-09-2005, 00:54 Edited by: sampfan83 at: 04-09-2005, 01:25 | hm - I am sorry - I didn't see that someone has already uploaded these... nice to see I have no mistake though we have a small difference still - I think Spain is in front of turkey because of higher '06 coefficient.. |
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| Author: nitsansh
Date: 05-09-2005, 02:42 | I wonder if 2 wins over Faroe Islands will be sufficient to lift Israel to pot #4... that will give us 27 pts from 18 matches for a coefficient of 1.5, which is currently higher than Scotland in 28th place... the Scots have tough away mathes in Norway and Slovenia and expect to win at home to Belarus, so I don't fancy their chances to take 7 pts and get to total of 28 pts (If we are level with them on 27 pts, we have the edge). In fact, the match between Slovenia and Scotland on Oct 12 could decide which of them is in pot 4. The Slovenes should earlier play away to Italy and Moldova, so if for example Slovenia gets 1 point from those matches and Scotland gets 3, they will be level on 24 pts going to that encounter. The loser will then be relegated to pot 5. Belgium and Bosnia should both play at home to lowly San Marino and away to Lithuania. 4 pts in these matches would keep them in pot 4. Hungary is also vulnerable: They play the 2 group leaders Sweden and Croatia at home and away to Bulgaria, and might lose all 3 matches and relegate to pot 5. |
| Re: EURO 2008 seedings (III) + Fixtures | |
| Author: nitsansh
Date: 05-09-2005, 04:06 | standings after 2005-09-03:Coef. Remaining matches |
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| Author: MartinW
Date: 05-09-2005, 04:32 | Does anybody have the table comparing the 2nd placed teams in each group to see who will qualify as best two runners-up? Can anyone confirm the regulations on how to correct for the groups having different numbers of teams? Should you ignore the results against 7th placed teams (i.e. only results against 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th will count)? It seems that Czech Rep loss against Romania could be costly for the best 2nd place qualification. I guess that now it seems Sweden/Croatia and England/Poland should be the favourites for taking the automatic qualification places. |
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| Author: edieseb
Date: 05-09-2005, 04:59 | Nice going for Romania with the win against the Czech Rep. IF they win the last match, against Finland, they'll stay in the pot 2, almost for sure: that is, of course, if Russia doesn't get more than 6pts in their last 3 games (POR(H) LUX (H) SVK (A)), and Serbia & Mont. 9pts from theirs (ESP (A) LIT (A) BIH (H)). But first we have to win in Finland. |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 05-09-2005, 11:50 Edited by: Forza-AZ at: 05-09-2005, 11:50 | @MartinW Table of 2nd placed teams after saturdays results: 1.England 7-19 (14- 3) 2.Sweden 7-18 (26- 2) ---------------------------------- 3.Romania 9-18 (15- 9) 4.Spain 7-13 (10- 2) 5.Ireland 7-13 (11- 4) 6.Slovakia 7-12 (15- 6) 7.Norway 7-12 (9- 5) 8.Turkey 8-11 (11- 9) |
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| Author: dinamozagreb
Date: 05-09-2005, 12:23 | Croatia/Sweden and Poland/England are almost sure for 2 best second. It's unreal to include Romania as 2nd cz they have 2 games more...and England has a game less than Poland also Greece has game in hand in comparison to Turkey...So ir we include all that we have: 1.Poland 21/8(1.England 22/8) 2.Sweden 18/7(1.Croatia 19/7) 3.Czech 15/7 4.Spain 13/7 5.Ireland 13/7 6.Slovakia 12/7 7.Norway 12/7 8.Greece 12/8 |
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| Author: smc
Date: 05-09-2005, 12:55 Edited by: smc at: 05-09-2005, 13:16 | Write me please, flob or nitsansh, Where I can see and read about this table of seedings??? my E-mail: smcalexandr@ukr.net |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 05-09-2005, 13:17 | I think Czech have good chances because whoever will take 2-nd places in Poland/England and Croatia/Sweden groups - they will have to lose points so Czech have this invisble bonus and it's slightly improve their situation. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 05-09-2005, 13:48 | smc, you can download the regulations for the EURO 2008 here. The system is described in articles 6.01 to 6.03. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 05-09-2005, 13:54 | Czech indeed still has a reasonable chance. Because they now have 2 loses, compared to Sweden and Poland 1. But Czech might very well win from Holland(they are not that good and also don't need the win anymore for qualification). And Poland and Sweden lost both their homegames against their opponent(England/Croatia), so away will be even more difficult to win. Than you have 3 teams with 2 loses. |
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| Author: spoonman
Date: 05-09-2005, 13:58 Edited by: spoonman at: 05-09-2005, 14:04 | I see that we're going to have 6 groups of 7 and one group of 8. Everybody complains about the tight match calendar, and now they put EIGHT teams into one group - what kind of nonsense is that? This means FOURTEEN qualifying matches within 16 months for the teams in that group and TWELVE for erverybody else. Can anybody explain to me why they didn't do it with 10 groups of 5? |
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| Author: krdeluxe
Date: 05-09-2005, 14:35 | With 6 groups of 7 and 1 of 8 countries there are no playoff (thats 2 games) and no difficulties with best number 2. So every team plays 2 games more (12) then with groups of 5 (8 + 2 playoffs = 10). I think it not bad, because less friendly games. For Holland I like a qualifying game against Andorra more then a friendly game against Germany. So I think groups of 7 are good. |
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| Author: spoonman
Date: 05-09-2005, 14:46 | But even for the current World Cup qualifying round they had to invent the strange rule that England, France, and Spain were not eligible for groups of 7 because they had so many domestic games. Now they will definitely have to go into a group of 7. And imagine what those countries will say that have to play in the group of 8. They'll complain about too many matches and "distortion of competition"... |
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| Author: iwan
Date: 05-09-2005, 15:22 | Yes, I can agree with spoonman!!! 7 Pools of 7 ore 8, than they'll must play many more matches than now!! I prefer too 10 pools of 5 in the qalification who'll play yhe same system like they did by the ECT in 2004!! Only than the 2 lowest ranked winners off the play-offs must play one play-off more against each-otter for one spot. And what to do in 2010, it's not sure ore Europe has the right for 12,13,14 ore 15 spots!! And/ore one European team must play a play-off against a team off an otter continent,then there will be very more possiblities with 10 pools of 5 that with 7 pools of 7 ore 8!!! |
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| Author: LevskiFan
Date: 05-09-2005, 18:20 | hey...if Bulgaria wins their remaining matches...how many points will they gain..and what position would they take? Thx in advance.... |
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| Author: sampfan83
Date: 05-09-2005, 19:05 | levski fan, Bulgaria currently has 25 points in 15 matches. 3 wins, which are the most probable outcome of the last 3 matches, will add up to 34 points out of 18 matches. Thus, the coefficient will be 1.889. however, your second question is hard to answer - which will be Bulgaria's position at the end? Because all the other teams will play matches as well, right. I would bet 10 dollars for each dollar someone else will put on Bulgaria not being in the third pot after all. We will be in the third pot almost for sure - and the exact position doesn't really matter that much... |
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| Author: flob
Date: 08-09-2005, 03:24 | standings after tonights matches:Assoziation '06 Points Matches Coeff. total |
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| Author: nitsansh
Date: 08-09-2005, 06:05 | A coefficient better than 2.277 (41 pts from 18 matches) will secure a place in the top pot. That is, in case Croatia beat Sweden and both win their final matches. If Sweden wins or draws that match, more than 40 pts/18 matches (coeff. 2.222) will make it. Therefor, Netherlands and Czech Republic allready secured places in the top flight. Even if they lose their remaining matches, they'll have a coefficient greater than 2.277 (2.35 for the Dutch, 2.3 for the Czech). France still need 2 points to make it, and England need 3. These teams are behind Sweden and Croatia in the 2006 coefficient, so they need a better general coeff. Portugal need 4 more points for a coeff. of 2.333. Should the teams above them lose pts, then Germany, followed by Poland and Italy, have a chance to get to the elite group. Poland, for example, can make it with win over England, if the English also fail to beat Austria. |
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| Author: ron
Date: 08-09-2005, 10:44 | What make the different between Ireland, Hungary and Scotland? They have the same points... |
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| Author: alono
Date: 08-09-2005, 11:14 | To flob: In the way you calculate the coefficients (number of points acheived divided by number of games actually played) your coeefs may change up and down from round to round (when a team loses, your coeff decreases as the number of games actually played is raised by one). I think a better way to calculate these coeffs is by using the number of total games to be played, all the way from the beginning of calculation. Thus, a coeff may change up only, or stay as is in case a team loses a game. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 08-09-2005, 11:47 Edited by: flob at: 08-09-2005, 12:20 | @alono,Ass. min maxof course, for a detailed analysis you need all these values (curr./min/max) and you have to take into consideration the matches/opponents still to come, but the main reason I post these tables is to give everyone on this forum a quick overview where his country stands now and how many points they need to stay there so I prefer it that way. |
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| Author: Ricardo
Date: 08-09-2005, 12:00 | From the min/max table you can conclude that Netherlands is sure of being in pot 1! Only 6 teams can be ahead of them: Greece, Czech, France, England, Portugal, Sweden. |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 08-09-2005, 14:25 | @ron When countries have the same coefficient, then the coefficient of the last qualifying round (WC 2006, for Germany Euro 2004) will determine who is higher. When that is also equal the average GD over both qualifying rounds counts. |
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| Author: nitsansh
Date: 09-09-2005, 12:22 | flob Your table shows clearly that with its expected win over Faroe Islands, Israel has an excellent chance to move up to group 4, considering that Hungary has tough matches against Bulgaria and Croatia, and Slovenia plays Italy and Scotland. Also Finland is very unlikely to beat Romania and Czech Republic. In case of tie on overall coefficient, Israel beat all teams in pot 4 on the strengh of its 2006 coefficient. |
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| Author: accex
Date: 16-09-2005, 14:16 Edited by: accex at: 16-09-2005, 14:24 | sorry but ý have a question how can calculate these points for any country (ex 17-19 match and total points's average) but which match date is starting this calculation |
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| Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 16-09-2005, 14:46 | All the matches of Euro 2004 qualification and WC 2006 qualification (except play-off's are counted), so from August 2002-October 2005. |
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| Author: Sami.Jukkasjarvi
Date: 17-09-2005, 08:52 | when exactly is the draw? |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 17-09-2005, 10:14 | Draw is on 27-th January. |
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| Author: Edgar
Date: 19-09-2005, 16:07 | If Romania wins in Finland, it's 99,9% sure of pot 2. Only Russia can overtake us - with 2 wins against Luxembourg and Slovakia. Then it comes down to average goal difference. Russia needs to win big against LUX and SVK - something like an overall +8 goal difference. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 20-09-2005, 21:20 | I doubt Romania will win in Finland, same is Russia wouldn't win both matches. I think Serbia is a favourite for this spot. |
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| Author: peter
Date: 20-09-2005, 23:05 Edited by: peter at: 20-09-2005, 23:15 | i beleve that all teams,( Romania, Bulgary, Serbia, Rusia )will lose some points in the last games, so i think the position at the end of qualification it will be as it is now. Talking about chances, i think all teams have equal chances, exept Russia, they have 5% chances to beat slovakia in bratislava. I dont think they'll beat slovakia, not at this time. |
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| Author: alono
Date: 21-09-2005, 09:04 Edited by: alono at: 21-09-2005, 09:18 | As explained in my earlier post: In calculating the coefficients as the number of points acheived divided by number of games actually played, the coeffs may change up and down from round to round (when a team loses, the coeff decreases as the number of games actually played is raised by one). A better way to calculate these coeffs is by using the number of total games to be played, all the way from the beginning of calculation. Thus, a coeff may change up only, or stay as is in case a team loses a game.The current seeding is the following: ______gms. _pts. _coeff. ned ___20 __47 __2.35 cze ___20 __46 __2.3 ger ___8 __18 __2.25 fra ___18 __40 __2.222 eng ___18 __39 __2.167 swe ___18 __38 __2.111 ------------------------------------ pol ___18 __37 __2.056 cro ___18 __36 __2 por ___12 __24 __2 tur ___20 __39 __1.95 ita ___18 __34 __1.889 rom __20 __36 __1.8 ------------------------------------ gre 1st __20 __36 __1.8 ------------------------------------ swi N/R ___18 __31 __1.722 esp ___18 __31 __1.722 ------------------------------------ ukr ___20 __34 __1.7 rus ___20 __33 __1.65 serb ___18 __28 __1.556 bul ___18 __28 __1.556 den ___20 __31 __1.55 lat ___20 __31 __1.55 bel ___18 __27 __1.5 ------------------------------------ svk ___20 __29 __1.45 bos ___18 __26 __1.444 nor ___18 __26 __1.444 svn ___18 __26 __1.444 isr ___18 __24 __1.333 ire ___18 __24 __1.333 hun ___18 __24 __1.333 ------------------------------------ sco ___18 __24 __1.333 fin ___20 __26 __1.3 est ___20 __22 __1.1 aus N/R ___20 __22 __1.1 lith ___18 __19 __1.056 alb ___20 __20 __1 ice ___18 __17 __0.944 wal ___18 __15 __0.833 ------------------------------------ geo ___20 __16 __0.8 mac ___20 __14 __0.7 nir ___18 __12 __0.667 cyp ___18 __12 __0.667 mol ___18 __11 __0.611 blr ___18 __10 __0.556 arm ___20 __11 __0.55 ------------------------------------ lie ___20 __9 __0.45 aze ___18 __7 __0.389 and ___20 __5 __0.25 mal ___18 __3 __0.167 far ___18 __2 __0.111 san ___18 __0 __0 lux ___20 __0 __0 kaz ___12 __0 __0 And you may verify - for 100% - if a team X may acheive coeff Y to be ranked upper/lower than team Z, because the coeff of team Z can't decrease. For example, my national team, Israel, will probably end its games by win over Faroe Islands, thus its coeff will be 27/18=1.5. So, Latvia (and all those above Latvia) may be sure of being ranked above Israel, as coeff of Latvia is 1.55 at least, no matter what they'll do in their next games. In my table, coeffs are more "similar" to points in a standard league table - they may increase from round to round, or stay as is, but they never decrease. |
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| Author: Gadek
Date: 21-09-2005, 17:07 | Dear Flob. About tie - breakers: I'm from Poland and as I am remember before the draw the Polish Federation had sent a protest to FIFA about changing our place in spots (3-->2). I think the tie - breaker was a higher place in FIFA ranking but I may be wrong |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 21-09-2005, 18:44 | i beleve that all teams,( Romania, Bulgary, Serbia, Rusia )will lose some points in the last games, so i think the position at the end of qualification it will be as it is now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - If so - Ukraine will take the spot, very unlikely though. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 21-09-2005, 18:52 | Dear Gadek, thx for the feedback. I just looked up the FIFA ranking before the draw. This actually could be an explanation for the 'Poland' case but not why Austria was in pot 3, they had a lower ranking than Slovakia and Ukraine. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 21-09-2005, 21:25 Edited by: SHEV at: 21-09-2005, 21:26 | UKraine was lower then Poland and Austria. |
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| Author: flob
Date: 22-09-2005, 02:41 | @SHEV: Poland is not in question. The draw was in Dec-2003 and both FIFA rankings from Nov-2003 and Dec-2003 show Ukraine above Austria. |
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| Author: SHEV
Date: 22-09-2005, 14:16 | As I told before - eastern european countries are discriminated. |
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| Author: seso
Date: 22-09-2005, 20:33 | Lars Kristen Olson (UEFA's managing director) said that the 3 countries that will qualify for the final (to host Euro 2012) in November will probably be Italy, Turkey and Croatia/Hungary. The winner will be announced in December. |