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World Cup Mexico '86 - The teams
Author: marco Date: 18-08-2005, 00:52	Do you remember which was the teams that have played in Mexico 86? And also some players of that edition of World Cup? The cities that have hosted the matches? Many thanks for your infos!

Author: EFC
Date: 18-08-2005, 02:09

The teams were...

Group A
Bulgaria
Italy
Argentina
South Korea

Group B
Belgium
Mexico
Paraguay
Iraq

Group C
Canada
France
Soviet Union
Hungary

Group D
Spain
Brazil
Algeria
Northern Ireland

Group E
Uruguay
West Germany
Scotland
Denmark

Group F
Morocco
Poland
Portugal
England

The cities used were:
Mexico City
Puebla
Toluca
León
Irapuato
Guadalajara
Monterrey
Querétaro
Nezahualcoyotl

Players I remember who stood out, aside from obviously Maradona, were Platini for France, Mattahus and Dieter Hoeness of West Germany, Jan Molby of Denmark, and Lineker of England, who at the time played for my club Everton. The Soviet Union side were comprised almost entirely of the Dinamo Kiev side which had just won the Cup Winners Cup. However it is the first World Cup I am old enough to really remember, no memory of Spain '82, so details are a bit hazy.

Incidentally the tournament was originally schedeled to be held in Colombia. Mexico only stepped in as a last minute emergency replacement, hence why they got to host two World Cups in just 16 years.

For further info, check out http://www.rsssf.com/tablesw/worldcup.html.
Or maybe try Wikipedia.

Re: World Cup Mexico '86 - The teams
Author: flob Date: 18-08-2005, 12:56	You can find informations about all previous Worldcups on the official FIFA Site.

Author: Gauss
Date: 18-08-2005, 18:36

Mattahus and Dieter Hoeness of West Germany
Lothar Matthäus, I agree, but how come you remember Dieter Hoeness?
I don't remember much of '86 in contrast to both '82 and '90. I only remember we had a team in transition. Many great players who already had been in the team in '82 quit after the WC '86 (Kalle Rummenigge, Toni Schumacher, Felix Magath, Hans-Peter Briegel, Karl-Heinz Förster). The next generation was there in Mexico, but their best time was yet to come in 1990 (Lothar Matthäus, Andi Brehme, Rudi Völler, Thomas Berthold).

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 18-08-2005, 19:08

argh .. this German team. They killed our (French) dreams once more and this wasas much disappointing as 1982.
I agree with you Gauss. This German team was probably less brilliant than the ones from 82 and 90, but it had such a fighting spirit (as ever

).
The French team made a good world cup, drawing an extremely strong USSR team in the group (1-1), then beating reigning WC Italy 2-0 then super-favourites Brazil (1-1 pen.) before losing to Germany in semis. We probably spent too much energy in the previous games to have a chance vs. a good Germany. Our win vs. Brazil was fortunate I have to admit.
The win of Argentina however does not seem to me discussable although I understand that English fans can argue about this. Maradona won the cup by himself,

Author: apw
Date: 18-08-2005, 20:08

Hand of god etc.
It was Maradona's world cup alright, it was his finest hour without doubt, although things could have been so different if it had'nt been for the Tunisian officials, although there can always be arguments about things evening out over the years.
It just seems the English never have any luck at WC Finals, i guess we used it all up in the "66 Final.
Back to Mexico "86 i attended the opening group games in Monterray V Portugal & Morocco and we were appaling Ray Wilkins even got sent off v Morocco, it seems strange that the way the draw panned out we could have won it if it had not been fo Maradona's handball.

Re: World Cup Mexico '86 - The teams
Author: wehoe Date: 18-08-2005, 20:24	no compare to mexico 1970.the semifinale germany against italy (3:4 n.V.)was the most dramatic footballgame of my life.i looked it with 5 student-friends in my 12 qm-room in munich.rent first time a colour(!)tv in my life.

Re: World Cup Mexico '86 - The teams
Author: iwan Date: 18-08-2005, 20:28	All the results off all the matches (qalifying and tournement) since 1930 you can find at de webpage: rdasilva.demon.co.uk/football.html

Author: EFC
Date: 18-08-2005, 20:36

Gauss, in truth I remember Hoeness because he played and scored against my team Everton for Bayern in the previous season's Cup Winners Cup semi-final and I seem to remember him scoring in a World Cup match, probably in a later knock-out round, and I recognised him. So he has always stuck in my mind. He seemed quite a powerful forward. I remember Matthaus and Karl-Heinz Rummenigge from the CWC tie, and as you say Rumminigge was also involved in Mexico. As I say, I was very young at the time so the memories are hazy, although Mexico '86 is still one of my favourite World Cup tournaments. Thinking back, I remember Sanchez and I think Boniek played as well. The Soviet team and for some reason the Danish team stuck in my mind also. Curiously, Mexico '86 must be one the few times English football fans wanted Germany to win the World Cup final! After the hand of God, most people here wanted to see Germany thwart Maradona. I wanted Germany to win in Italia '90 though also, Argentina in 1990 were nothing like they were in '86, they were a horribly negative team. I think they only won 2 matches in open play to reach the final and I was very pleased by the German win, regardless of England's semi-final defeat. In truth, I cannot really remember how good the Germans were in '86, I have much clearer memories of Italia '90.

With regard to Maradona, easily the greatest player I have seen - though I am too young to remember Pele, Eusebio etc. - and there is no way they would have won that World Cup without him. I am convinced the officials deliberately allowed that goal, perhaps too afraid to disallow it because of the backdrop to the game. Interestingly FIFA never asked that referee to officiate at any major international tournament again I read. Still, I suspect Argentina would have won in extra-time anyway, Maradona would have pulled something out of the hat.

I think the injuries and suspensions actually kick-started the tournament for England. The departures of Robson and Wilkins seemed to be disasterous, but then they introduced Peter Reid, Trevor Steven and Steve Hodge and changed the system, and the new line-up and tactics seemed to work far better. It was hard to recognise the team which played Poland from the team which had played Morocco and Portugal, it was mysterious.

Author: Gauss
Date: 18-08-2005, 23:40

EFC, I was just a bit astonished because Dieter Hoeness never really played an important role in the german national team. In Mexico he only played the last 30 minutes both in the QF against Mexico and in the Final. Apart from that he only played in two friendly matches in the WC preparation scoring one goal against Switzerland and two friendly matches 7 years earlier in '79 scoring one goal against Ireland and two goals against Iceland.
Our forwards in Mexico were Klaus Allofs, Rudi Völler and Kalle Rummenigge.
I seem to remember that there were a lot of conflicts in the team, because they started really bad in the group phase 1-1 against Uruguay, 2-1 against Scotland and 0-2 against Denmark. I think there were disagreements between our captain Rummenigge and goalkeeper Schumacher, both of them not in their best form.

Author: Slovan
Date: 24-08-2005, 01:26

I think that Mexico 86 was more than else the championship of the unjust results and cheating.
Of course, number one, was Golden Pig Diego, with his hand. It there was not a weak African referee he would be expulsed and bye bye Argentina.
A very strong Russian team with Kiev players was beaten much more by a referee than by Belgian team in last 16.
Germans played well only match against France in semi-finals. Otherwise, they eliminated Morocco with a lucky goal in last minute and Mexico on penalties.
Brazil should not beat Spain in the group, thank you, referee.

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 24-08-2005, 20:20

I fully agree for the USSR team. They were very strong that year and the defeat vs. Belgium was a pure scandal (Swedish referee I believe). Really bad luck for them because it was their year.

I remember having seen in Lyon the CWC final between this famous Kiev team and Atletico Madrid. I have never seen such a domination at that level. They won 3-0 but could have scored much more. Very impressive.

As far as the croud was concerned, 1/3 of the stadium was for Atletico fans (that painted all statues in red in the city before the game by the way) and 2/3 were French, out of them a vast majority was for Atletico (French with spanish roots for most of them). At the end, the whole stadium, including part of the Atletic fans cheered that Dynamo team. It was one of the most brillant team I have ever seen. The only thing that still surprises me is that that team disappeared as quick as it appeared. The USSR team went into Euro 88 final after having outclassed France in qualifying group (and we were good at that time) but never really came back to the level of 1986.

Author: byl
Date: 25-08-2005, 19:28

I don't agree onthe the USSR-Belgium game. Can someone enlighten me pls, because i can't see in which way the swedish referee helped belgium to win?

USSR was very impressive in the first round and Belgium was very lucky to pass the first round and played awfully bad those first 3 games.

But the USSR-Belgium game (3-4 aet) was just a real classic! USSR was really good, but Belgium did play very well that day and beat the USSR fair and square in the end. Not thanks to the referee, but because they went for it, they took their chances and the USSR forgot to score their chances in the first 30 minutes of the game when they were the far better side.

Belgium won against spain next round, and lost to Maradona in the semis.