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Author: kurt
Date: 01-08-2005, 22:24
| now , celtic eliminated , almost 99% certain
and with 2 weak teams in uefacup, it could be possible that only rangers is catching points and maybey a few points in the qualifying round uefacup
what is the press saying in scotland ? do they talk about the loss of celtic, or do they also talk about the europeeing ranking dropping down ?
why did they not keep joos valgaaren, a good defender and now so many goals in their goal ? |
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Author: rbr
Date: 01-08-2005, 22:38
| kurt , the press in scotland are mainly interested in big back page headline grabbing scoops ie just now celtic areplaying poorly but that is down to reasons that would take far too long to explain here , to expect scottish journalists to debate this point , euro coeficient with any great depth would really be asking the impossible as most dont even undedrstand the basic laws of the game.Also the football authorities have in their infamite wisdom decided not to adopt the same interpretation of the offside rule as the rest of europe what hope do we have . As for valgaren he had one good season for celtic but an awful uefa cup final where he was blamed by a lot of the celtic fans and he was also very very injury prone which was quite convenient dont you think |
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Author: kurt
Date: 01-08-2005, 22:53
| about joos, he has played a lot of games, he was from the club, so you do not have to pay a transfer to another club, maybey he is not the greatest , but losing a game with 5 goals, a slovakian club
i think he would be useful, now club brugge has a free transfer and pay him a around 500 000 euro a year, not cheap but a free transfer
bottom line, celtic , a club with so many debts, buys every year a lot of players, but if they european journey ends tomorrow, what whit the financial disaster ? |
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Author: rbr
Date: 01-08-2005, 22:59
| kurt their chief executive has already stated that the 11 million euros they have spent was budgeted from the champions league , it is a financial disaster if celtic or for that matter rangers dont reach the group stages |
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Author: Gauss
Date: 02-08-2005, 00:06
| @rbr,
what do you mean by: "the football authorities have in their infamite wisdom decided not to adopt the same interpretation of the offside rule as the rest of europe"? I thought the scottish FA was among those european associations that (in accordance with UEFA) decided not to adopt FIFAs interpretation of the offside rule as practised during the Confed Cup. Last week there was an article in the german football magazine kicker where it was made clear that the DFB (and it's referees) will NOT adopt that interpretation. And it was also stated that this was in total agreement with delegates from 16 european associations who met in Frankfurt for a training for referee observers. |
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Author: rbr
Date: 02-08-2005, 10:01
| gauss thanks for that , what you said was never reported here we were under the illusion that only scotland was not going to implement this stupid rule change so thanks for clearing that up |
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Author: porto-1978
Date: 02-08-2005, 10:36
| This is a very bad moment for Celtic and scotish quefficient. Let?s see the outcome of the 2nd leg but the 0-5 defeat is already done!
This kind of things can never be a result of one player missing... That player in concrete is surely not the reason for this. Valgareen seems not to be the best. In the Seville final he was bad as all the Celtic defense because Porto is an attacking team and created a lot of danger on the wings (even if they missed at that time a good header forward to put the balls in). Mourinho was smart (as always) and Porto made no more goals bacause in many cases the Celtic defenders (specially Balde and Valgreen) played on the Porto players legs - the ball, usually they could only smell it...
So, it?s not fair to blame one player on the final. Celtic fans were a bit blind to see that they had no chances and they were in fact lucky with a referee that gave not the deserved cards to their rugby style defense and specially with a lot of injuries on Porto?s side, before the game but specially during the game. Also lucky in scoring on the litlle chances they had. But if nothing has changed on Celtic fans minds they don?t agree with me. Maybe after seeing Porto winning CL on the year after Seville they gained the deserved respect for FC Porto(?) |
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Author: saltire
Date: 02-08-2005, 12:53
| Porto
phew a big long list there...a few wee answers
We and i specifically respected porto for winning ...they deserved to win but losing is always painful. We were proud of our team
Celtic fans knew we would have to build after seville with perhaps a creative attacking midfielder and at least 2 defenders- we didnt and have gone downhill ever since which is also painful. For the last 2 years we have bought no one of any note and players who should have been moved on were not.
Porto went on to be succesful because they had a good mix of young creative players and experience...we had player at or just past their peak with no real young player ready yet....Porto deserved their success the next year. Remember the same year we put liverpool out as well and look what they have gone on to do.
If you dont build and go forward you go back...we have and the fans the best part of our club know that the board missed the opportunity to build on that season for the want of some boldness. Scotland will struggle for the next few years as all teams have very little money and i include rangers who have not spent big either and are still trying to build a settled team with wheeling and dealing.
life is a cycle and we will come again....dont ask when but you live for the good days which is why we had a party in seville.
you have to have the bad days to appreciate the good....you as a porto fan must know this to be true. |
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Author: porto-1978
Date: 02-08-2005, 13:29
Edited by: porto-1978
at: 02-08-2005, 13:34 | Saltire, it?s true that without bad moments the good moments would not taste that good. And no club or country can manage to have success always.
I wasn?t expecting this bad moment of Celtic, as i saw them in the friendly against Sporting and the team seemed ok (Sporting only draw in the last minute).
But from Scotland in general i think for some time ago that the country will lose some places in the ranking. Rangers spends a lot of money but i don?t see them building a good team. It?s not only buying players but building a group, a human machine... Celtic have that and not loose it easily. But you?re right, they are a bit stoped in the last years. My feeling (from a long distance so probably wrong) is that they need a controled revolution. And never go on the Rangers way of buying suposed stars. The real stars sometimes had never shined...
Good luck! |
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Author: Agent327
Date: 02-08-2005, 13:54
| Last year Rangers didn't made the cut, this year it seems Celtic won't even make it to the UC
So, if Celtic fails to qualify, it would mean there's a (potential) big money pocket lying in wait for Rangers.
Last year the distribution of the market pool looked like this (LINK)
If you extrapolate it to this years CL Celtic will loose at least € 9 750 000 on market pool money alone.
In total Celtic received 42 228 656 Swiss francs for participating in the CL since 1992/1993. (Rangers had 49 584 125 CHF paid in their account)
Topping the rank regarding income is Bayern München with 295 002 282 CHF or just over €190m
See here for an overall list |
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Author: saltire
Date: 02-08-2005, 14:35
| Porto,
we apart from O`neills first season have never been a big money signing club...thats why our financial figures comparativly pale into insignificance re debt.
We have always tried to find, by cheaply talent and bring it on but this is what we need to rediscover
gotta laugh but ometimes it takes a real whuppin to bring focus
porto i think would be re building again at the moment? |
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Author: iwan
Date: 16-09-2005, 03:18
| Six weeks agow people realy thought that.
Now, they've realy chances to qalify after winning
in Norway!!!! |
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