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Author: Toni
Date: 21-07-2005, 03:21
Edited by: Toni
at: 21-07-2005, 13:56

CL Q2 1st Leg

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2-90%
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x-70%
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1-85%
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-65%
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) x-65%
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-70%
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1-90%
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-70%
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) x-60%
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) x-60%
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1-70%
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-55%
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-55%
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) x-60%

Extra prediction: Q1 team that most likely goes to Q3: SK Tirana

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 21-07-2005, 03:48

Toni man, no offence but I bet that more than 50% of your predictions will be wrong

not to mention the Tirana prediction:D
Anyways here are my predictions....

CL Q2 1st Leg

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2-100%
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x-70%
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1-80%
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-75%
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2-70%
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-90%
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1-90%
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-60%
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2-60%
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2-80%
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1-70%
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) x-60%
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) x-60%
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-60%

Extra prediction: Q1 team that most likeley goes to Q3: Haka

Author: Toni
Date: 21-07-2005, 04:35
Edited by: Toni
at: 21-07-2005, 04:42

Wow, I didn't know LevskiFan was God to tell us what would or would not happen in the future. I think it is only wise and chivalrous to be humble and realize that Tirana beat all the odds and against all the unprofessional public predictions of CSKA team's officials as well as of their fans. Not only these are just predictions but if there is one that needs to be humble about judging predictions on Tirana they are Bulgarian fans. If it hurts that CSKA fans and team officials were wrong, just accept that as a man. But maybe there isn't any class or wiseness left...So just shove it and just make your own prediction, don't comment on other's - they are just predictions, like I said, and only the battle of the match will show what is the reality.

Author: Nick
Date: 21-07-2005, 08:13
Edited by: Nick
at: 21-07-2005, 20:22

Toni: LevskiFan is a fan of Levski Sofia - they are the archrivals of CSKA. If you knew bulgarian football you wouldn't even think a Levski fan would overestimate CSKA. Back to topic:

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) X
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) X2
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) X2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1X
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) X
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 2

Note: predictions are for first leg only, not for overall qualification!

Extra prediction: Q1 team that most likeley goes to Q3: Haka and Dinamo Tbilisi. Neftchi may also make a surprise. Anderlecht should win very big if they want to survive in Baku

Toni, give me your e-mail. We can then discuss the whole thing next week in Tirana on a beer

Author: Ricardo
Date: 21-07-2005, 08:55

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 2-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 3-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-0
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-0
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-2

Author: alexx
Date: 21-07-2005, 09:38

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-4
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 0-0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-0
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2-1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 0-0
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-2

Author: Munja
Date: 21-07-2005, 11:32

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) x
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) x
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1

Extra prediction: Q1 team that most likeley goes to Q3: Shelbourne or Anorthosis!

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Toni Date: 21-07-2005, 13:56 Edited by: Toni at: 21-07-2005, 14:10	Nick: I know Levski are archrivals of CSKA, like any two capital city teams are. I just don't think that every bulgarian is as good of a sport as you are. Would love to meet over a beer before or after the game. We're coming to Sofia too to return the favor the following week. If there is a way to privately give the address let me know.

Author: toverkol
Date: 21-07-2005, 15:44
Edited by: toverkol
at: 21-07-2005, 15:47

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - {b>Liverpool{/b>(Eng) 2
{b>Dinamo Tbilisi{/b>(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
{b>Partizan Belgrade{/b>(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - {b>Hajduk Split{/b>(Cro) 2
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - {b>Celtic{/b> (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - {b>CSKA Sofia{/b>(Bul) 2
{b>Anderlecht{/b>(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
{b>Vålerengen IF{/b>(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - {b>Lokomotiv Moscow{/b>(Rus) x
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - {b>Rapid Wien{/b>(Aut) 2
{b>Dinamo Kiev{/b>(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
{b>Malmö FF{/b>(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - {b>Steaua Bucuresti{/b>(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - {b>Trabzonspor{/b>(Tur) 2

malmo and rabotnicki (maybe tblisi) should be the surprises that bring me back on top of the table

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: cattle_ripper Date: 21-07-2005, 16:58	SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-70%

Author: cattle_ripper
Date: 21-07-2005, 17:04
Edited by: cattle_ripper
at: 21-07-2005, 17:05

Oh, the guy is albanian. That makes his joke more reasonable

Now getting serous:

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) X
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2 (0:2)
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) X

Author: Lio
Date: 21-07-2005, 17:33

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) N
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) N
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) N
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) N
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) N
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) N

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: LevskiFan Date: 21-07-2005, 18:45 Edited by: LevskiFan at: 21-07-2005, 18:48	cattle_ripper-exactly my point:D Well yes I am a Levski fan, and yes I hate Cska Sofia, but when it comes to european competitions I support them just like all the rest of the Bulgarian teams! And when somebody like Toni tells me that an albanian team will beat the Bulgaian champion, come on that can't be serious! Of course everybody hs his own predictions and hopes, but come on be realistic!

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Malko Date: 21-07-2005, 18:50	Still no-one beleiving in F91 ? Yes, I know, Rapid is not Mostar.......but I really hope (and believe they can do it, if they play like yesterday), that the first leg will be at least a tie for us.......

Author: Reg
Date: 21-07-2005, 20:03
Edited by: Reg
at: 21-07-2005, 20:03

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-1
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 2-1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 0-0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-0
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 0-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 4-1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-2
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-0
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-2

Author: Steaua_Bucuresti
Date: 21-07-2005, 20:14

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) x
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 2

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 21-07-2005, 20:20 Edited by: Nick at: 21-07-2005, 20:24	Toni: There are no private messages here Try http://forum.cska.bg. My nick there is TheOnly1 Send me a PM there and we will discuss the details.

Author: MichaelCollins
Date: 21-07-2005, 20:24

Malko, there is a saying about how lightning never strikes twice, but you know, I would be very happy to see Dudelange win another round (and not just because it proves my points I make frequently about upsets being integral to the game and possible in any game). I was very surprised by the score this week - 4-0! away - but Rapid finished ahead of Austria Wien and Grazer who I was very impressed with last year, so that leads me to believe Rapid should be as strong or stronger probably then those two having won the league over them.

But hey, the scorelines starts 0-0 at all times, right!

Author: Pawelm_18
Date: 21-07-2005, 21:15

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) x
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 2

Author: Rox
Date: 21-07-2005, 21:44
Edited by: Rox
at: 22-07-2005, 01:27

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - {b>Liverpool(Eng){/b> 0-1,0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - {b>Brondby IF(Den){/b> 2-1,0-2
{b>Partizan Belgrade(Srb){/b> - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0,1-1
{b>DVSC Debrecen(Hun){/b> - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2-0,0-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - {b>Celtic(Sco){/b> 0-1,0-3
SK Tirana (Alb) - {b>CSKA Sofia(Bul){/b> 2-1,0-1
{b>Anderlecht(Bel){/b> - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 2-0,0-0
{b>Valerenga IF(Nor){/b> - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-0,0-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - {b>Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus){/b> 1-1,0-2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - {b>Rapid Wien(Aut){/b> 0-1,0-3
{b>Dinamo Kiev(Ukr){/b> - FC Thun(Sui) 1-0,1-1
Malmö FF(Swe) - {b>Maccabi Haifa(Isr){/b> 1-1,0-1
Shelbourne(Irl) - {b>Steaua Bucuresti(Rom){/b> 1-1,1-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - {b>Trabzonspor(Tur){/b> 0-1,0-3

Author: Aliceag
Date: 21-07-2005, 22:23

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-2,0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brondby IF(Den) 2-0,1-2
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0,1-1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-0,0-2
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic(Sco) 0-1,0-2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-0,1-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 2-1,1-1
Valerenga IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-1,0-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2-1,0-3
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2,0-5
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0,1-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1*-0,0-1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-0,1-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-2,1-4

Author: Dinamo-Zagreb
Date: 22-07-2005, 02:26

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 2

That is of cours,e who passes through

Author: EarlofBug
Date: 22-07-2005, 03:44

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) x
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1 (chance for Haifa to qualify: 60%)
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 2

Extra predicion - unseeded clubs with most chances to qulify: Debrecen, Malmo, FC Thun, Dinamo Tbilisi.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: flob Date: 22-07-2005, 07:13	Earl, Debrecen is seeded

Author: m4e
Date: 22-07-2005, 09:48

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-2
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0-2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 2-0
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 1-3
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-3
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2-2
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-1

Author: walter-wade
Date: 22-07-2005, 11:35

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 2
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0

Extra prediction: Q1 team that most likeley goes to Q3: neftchi baku(if they succeed to get a draw in the first game)

Author: Lunaris
Date: 22-07-2005, 20:43

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3,0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brondby IF(Den) 1-1,1-2
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0,1-1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 3-1,0-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic(Sco) 1-1,0-2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 0-0,1-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 4-1,1-0
Valerenga IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-1,0-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1,0-3
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-3,0-5
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0,1-2
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 3-1,0-1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1,0-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-2,0-4

Author: maccabi
Date: 23-07-2005, 02:52

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) x
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 2

Author: irshav
Date: 23-07-2005, 05:40

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) x
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) x
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) x
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) x
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) x
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) x
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) x

Author: Toni
Date: 23-07-2005, 07:43

LevskiFan: First, you made my point because, as you say it yourself, no matter how much you may hate CSKA, you will always support/cheer for Bulgarian teams, regardless, and thus you would be bias. Can’t you see Nick’s and my point in this? Secondly, again you come back to the same rationality (or rather irrationality) by talking about being ‘realistic’. Get a grip of yourself, who are you to decide what is realistic and what is not, who gave you the magic stick to draw a line in the sand and tell anyone what is realistic and what is not!? At least, give some facts on your claims, could you please?! You never gave a single evidence of your ‘realism’, you never acknowledged that Tirana, only few days ago, just ridiculed most Bulgarian fans predictions! Do you need a PhD in math to understand that much as these are such imbecile and demeaning things to say, an insult to logic and gentlemanlikeness. Lastly, who do you think you are to address me with 'when somebody like Toni tells me'. Really, an undeservedly earthly thing like me dares to address a heavenly superman like you?! ‘an albanian team (Note: he pathetically can’t even help himself but not to have the simple respect of writing the proper name in capital, let alone be objective on a score) will beat the Bulgaian champion’!? - God please, don’t do that, there is no precedent for it, such an unimaginable earthquake that will shake the very foundation of soccer, maybe of our own being…PEEEELEEEASE! It's so pathetically demeaning and idiotic! You don't even know who I am to begin with as well as I can assure you, with very high confidence, my education, life successes and status are much superior than yours. But the point is, regardless of who everyone is, who the hell gives you the right to address me or my nationality in a patronizing and demeaning way? O tempora, o mores!

Since you not only demeaned but ignored the facts as well, I just can’t just pass the chance to give you a bitter taste of them.

Facts 1:

In this forum:

Predicted Tirana’s victory or a tie
Toni 1
Nick x
Ricardo 1
Alexx x
Munja x
Lio x
Rox 1
Pawelm_18 x
Aliceag 1
Dinamo-Zagreb 1
Lunaris x
irshav x

Predicted CSKA’s victory
Nick
Levskifan
Toverkol
cattle_ripper
Reg
Steaua_Bucuresti
EarlofBug
m4e
walter-wade
maccabi

12:10 against CSKA’s victory is the current ‘score’ and not only CSKA’s victory is not predicted as a slam dunk but the poll of predictions shows that 20% more people think CSKA’s victory prediction is wrong than right! So, the only way it could be logically deduced by the standards and thinking of this forum, which we both have implicitly agreed to participate in, the ridiculosity of predictions for the Tirana-CSKA match, as subjective as this is in itself, by majority of votes, is on your lap. Well, unless the cow’s boyfriend thinks that that is still a ‘joke’ because this must be some worldwide-spread Albanian conspiracy among the people that post here including a CSKA supporter.

And by the way, jack-the-ripper, I mean cattle-ripper, regardless of your nationality, which for the sake of fairness and manliness you should have mentioned yours when you use someone else’s, if we were to judge people based on just a name, not arguments or facts, like you did, your screen-name seems to suggest, honestly, your first girlfriend must have been a cow and your genes must come from some barbarian hun tribes, still very alive in you so, when it comes to your reasonability and understanding, please, my case is closed.

On a more serious and factual side, though the poll in itself is factual and should be enough to make the point about how ‘unreasonable/unrealistic’ your prediction is, but since you both twice only demeaned and showed your pathetic ignorance and arrogance, instead of doing some research like Nick did, a CSKA ultras, a good man and hopefully a future friend, here are some hardcore CURRENT facts:

Facts2
-Tirana eliminated Dinamo Tbilisi in 2003 CL Q1 (after overthrowing a 3:0 result of 1st leg)
-Tirana beat Ferencváros in Budapest in 2004 CL Q2 (3:3 on aggregate. Tirana eliminated only on away goals after missed a penalty and Ferencvaros scored in extra time!)
-Ferencváros - Tirana 1:2 (friendly) in Budapest in 2003
-Tirana eliminated Nova Gorica in 2005 CL Q1 (after overthrowing a 2:0 result of 1st leg)

Wisla Kraków - 28.733 (62nd) eliminated by Dinamo Tbilisi in 2004
Slavia Praha - 23.490 (78th) eliminated by Dinamo Tbilisi in 2004
Ferencváros - 17.51 (105th) beaten by Tirana in Budapest in 2004
FC København - 14.438 (127th) eliminated by Nova Gorica in 2004 (5:0 in Copenhagen)

CSKA - MTK Budapest 1:2 (CSKA eliminated) in 2001
Ferencváros Budapest - Tirana 0:1 in 2004
Ferencváros Budapest - Tirana 1:2 in 2003:

MTK - 5.510 (187th)
Ferencváros - 17.51 (105th)

CSKA Sofia - 12.128 (135th)

Thus, Tirana has beaten and eliminated in the last 3 years the 2004 most successful CL Q1 team (Nova Gorica) and the 2004 most successful UC Q1 team (Dinamo Tbilisi). In overall, in the last 3 years, Tirana has beaten twice a team (Ferencvaros) that currently a) directly ranks better than CSKA as well as b) ranks much higher than a team (MTK) that recently eliminated CSKA; and c) Tirana also has currently beaten and eliminated teams (Dinamo Tbilisi, Nova Gorica) which, in turn, have currently eliminated teams (Wisla, Slavia, FC København) that rank better than CSKA Sofia. It can’t be just a fluke: it’s just consistently happening in the last 3 years and not just for one but for several such teams and in several different ways. “Only the facts, ‘mam, only the facts”, like Joe Friday would say.

CSKA is still the team to beat, no illusions about that but, if there is a team to avoid playing in CL Q2 from the 2005 CL Q1 teams (except Liverpool), based simply on the last 3 years current results and not some euphoria of long lost ‘glory’, Tirana should be very high, if not the highest in the list; if there is one that needs to be humble or be ridiculed about predicting Tirana are Bulgarian fans like you who crossed out Tirana only few days ago and I just can’t quite comprehend how you dare, how you have the audacity to say things which are derogatory, arrogant, imbecile at face value, to begin with, and ignorant of current facts and reality at their core. Again, I didn’t need to go at length to explain myself for predicting in a certain way a damn soccer match’s score as to somehow sound ‘reasonable’ - Indeed, if I had my way, I would have made all soccer matches end in ‘unreasonable’ scores, if there is such a thing; most soccer fans, with the exception when it hurts their own teams, would want an ‘unreasonable’ score in a soccer match as that is what makes soccer beautiful and such a spectacle. Indeed, even the facts show that there is no reasonability/predictability, to begin with, in all the upsets that happen in soccer every single day (do I have to mention Greece-2004 European champs, Albania-2004 European champs 2:1, 2005 CL Liverpool turnaround, 2004 CL Nova Gorica, 2005 CL Dudelange & Tirana, etc.?); there is no reasonability/predictability in soccer as otherwise there would have been rich people being made out (fairly) of soccer bets.

Rather, it’s because of this unpredictability that soccer is what we know is - so beautiful, so breathtaking, so heart wrenching…No one should need to explain himself/herself, be judged or, worse, he/she or his/her nationality be demeaned for no reason whatsoever, for a prediction about an indigenously unpredictable soccer match, even more so when the facts, not some ego, do show abundantly the reasonability of the predicted score. I do not want to say this, but your both demeaning, arrogant and ignorant comments asked for it, if there is a thing that irritates me the most is ignorance and arrogance so, get it again through your remote-asian-steppes-hun skulls, just shove it, you’re out of my league!

Author: cattle_ripper
Date: 23-07-2005, 10:02

You don't even know who I am to begin with as well as I can assure you, with very high confidence, my education, life successes and status are much superior than yours. But the point is, regardless of who everyone is, who the hell gives you the right to address me or my nationality in a patronizing and demeaning way? O tempora, o mores!

And by the way, jack-the-ripper, I mean cattle-ripper, regardless of your nationality, which for the sake of fairness and manliness you should have mentioned yours when you use someone else’s, if we were to judge people based on just a name, not arguments or facts, like you did, your screen-name seems to suggest, honestly, your first girlfriend must have been a cow and your genes must come from some barbarian hun tribes, still very alive in you so, when it comes to your reasonability and understanding, please, my case is closed.

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first of all, I really can't see anyone address you here in a demeaning way. neither nick, nor LevskiFan or me. sorry.

next, may I remind you, that internet is not the right place to boast of your education and life success just because you don't know actually who is sitting at the other end of the cable.

so, don't be too sure how much more successful you're in comparison with LevskiFan.

and finally, be not too concerned what was my fisrt girlfriend, as I am not about yours.

And to go back on-topic time will tell whose prediction is right. Let's wait & see. No need to overreact with such long and useless post.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: SHEV Date: 23-07-2005, 11:32	Can't agree with you, Toni. You try to prove power of Tirana by showing inderect evidence connecting one match to another(with even friendlies) - it's pathetic. That way I can prove that Andorra should win World Cup. For now chances for Tirana not more then it seems - they are extremely low. It's football and anything can happen, but I think not in this case.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: SHEV Date: 23-07-2005, 11:35 Edited by: SHEV at: 23-07-2005, 11:36	Showing Andorra become European champions is even easier then to prove Tirana's high level. 2004 - Andorra - Macedonia 1-0 2004 - Macedonia - Ukraine 1-0 2005 - Greece - Ukraine 0-1 Andorra stronger then Euro champs.

Author: Nick
Date: 23-07-2005, 11:58

Grr, useless discussion. We will see the whole story next wednesday. Just keep in mind that newly signed midfielder Murad Hiduad (54 games for the national team of Morocco) scored 3 such goals in the last 2 games against Luton Town FC and Loko Sofia during the PlayStation 2 tournament in Sofia last week:

http://www.cska.bg/multimedia/video/matches/2005-2006/sumkontroli/20050719/2005
0719_03.avi

And this is what Tirana will see in the return leg (clip from the league match CSKA-Pirin):

http://www.cska.bg/multimedia/video/matches/2004-2005/a_pfg/20050521/20050521_0
6.avi

Author: Toni
Date: 23-07-2005, 13:48
Edited by: Toni
at: 23-07-2005, 15:41

SHEV, if you read carefully what I said, what I was saying was NOT whether Tirana will win or qualify. Tirana might not beat or tie CSKA in any of the two games, that's not the point of this argument at all. And even if Tirana wins or qualifies, it still does not make directly my point on what I was trying to say earlier! I said earlier that the field of the game will show what is the case. The only point I was making earlier was to show that it is realistic, factually, based on similar situations, to make an argument that Tirana could likely beat CSKA; the point was, instead of basing an opinion simply on some gut feelings someone might have on his favorite team, understandably biased, or a past faded glory, especially in the face of demeaning comments on someone else’s opinion, to show instead some indirect/circumstantial evidence, since there is no direct matches between the teams, so thus to show that it is realistic to think that Tirana could beat CSKA - that's all, not that that is an undeniable inevitability, the others were the ones that claimed things on inevitability grounds. Indeed, if you follow the thread, that was not my original intention, to begin with, I only made some predictions. I was forced to do that because others started to demean opinions and talk about some absolute inevitability. Nevertheless, it's precisely because of this indirect evidence that we think one team is better or worse than the other, it’s because we take evidence on how teams have performed on similar and recent situations, and on several of them, to judge how they would perform in the present. And I didn't give a single game or a single team for my arguments, I gave many games and many teams on similar situations to make my point, and you know better than that, you know damn well your Andorra comparison doesn’t hold water. And just because I used a friendly game, it doesn't mean it doesn't work as an argument in this case – I think what is pathetic, indeed, is that you blatantly ignore to acknowledge that Tirana already beat Ferencvaros in Budapest on a regular match of CL as well, indeed almost eliminated Fradi if it wasn’t for a missed penalty kick and an extra added time goal and in a more recent year than the friendly one! So the friendly match is a moot point to argue, the friendly match was just an extra argument, and of course it could be used as such to emphasize that the later result was not a fluke. Finally, if you know a little about the legal system, where we prove things there on similar situations/grounds, indirect/circumstantial evidence is used all the time to convict people, even of murder, in US and many other countries.

You say chances of Tirana are extremely low. Well man, that's just your opinion, mine and that of enough people to make a majority in this thread think Tirana is strong enough that CSKA won't win the first game. Remember, the prediction was not even about qualifying but just whether Tirana was strong enough to win a game over CSKA and, when a couple ridiculed that, it turned out to an even lower bar on whether Tirana was strong enough to thwart CSKA be this even with a tie. Again, this thread’s majority opinion doesn't make it a reality or even realistic, if there is such term in soccer games, no one is saying that is the God-given truth but, please, have some respect and don't impose your opinion as some objective truth or think that your opinion is somehow better than that of the others when it should have been the other way around, not just simply because soccer is unpredictable - yes, because of that too there can't be inevitabilities like someone claimed, but more so because of the majority opinion rule as well as the abundant indirect evidence it was given by one side and lack of it by the other!

“first of all, I really can't see anyone address you here in a demeaning way. neither nick, nor LevskiFan or me. Sorry”. -- Of course, with the screen name you have, I have no illusions about your sensitivity and good manners threshold. And, please, don’t sneak Nick into this. I made it clear what I think of him, but it only goes to show your weakness/sneakness.

“And to go back on-topic time will tell whose prediction is right. Let's wait & see. No need to overreact with such long and useless post.” --- Finally, you agree with me in one point (time will tell, let's wait and see) and offer not a single contention on any of the arguments made and facts presented. It’s always good to see someone accepting a loss, even though implicitly, on a logical and factual argument.

And Nick, you know I agree with all you have said here but please realize I was forced into this.

Author: Nick
Date: 23-07-2005, 14:33
Edited by: Nick
at: 23-07-2005, 14:34

I arrive in Tirana wednesday morning btw

I would like to tell a small story for the final of this discussion. 4 years ago CSKA elimitated Shachtar Donetsk after a magnificent 3:0 in Sofia and 1:2 in the Ukraine. After that game everybody said: "We're ready to beat every team in Europe. We will make it at least to the semi-finals." The truth came out in the next round against AC Milan - 0:2, 0:1.

Author: Toni
Date: 23-07-2005, 14:49

If you want, I can show you around Tirana or nearby cities if you promise to do the same in Sofia the following week. Deal? When are you leaving Tirana, are you staying overnight somewhere? It's hard for me to register in your forum as I have no idea of any cyrilic letters. Tirana forum is sktirana.com but for some strange reasons it has been down since the first game in Gorica but hopefully it will be up soon enough and we could have pm-ed there privately. I most likely will come on a charter on Tuesday, the 2nd, and leave right after the game on Wednesday.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 23-07-2005, 14:50 Edited by: Nick at: 23-07-2005, 15:56	We got a deal

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: BalkanTourist Date: 23-07-2005, 16:54	CSKA will go through to the next round, if not I'll buy you a case of beer of your choise : )

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: maranton Date: 23-07-2005, 17:56	I accept the challenge.

Author: cattle_ripper
Date: 23-07-2005, 18:53
Edited by: cattle_ripper
at: 23-07-2005, 18:57

“first of all, I really can't see anyone address you here in a demeaning way. neither nick, nor LevskiFan or me. Sorry”. -- Of course, with the screen name you have, I have no illusions about your sensitivity and good manners threshold. And, please, don’t sneak Nick into this. I made it clear what I think of him, but it only goes to show your weakness/sneakness.

“And to go back on-topic time will tell whose prediction is right. Let's wait & see. No need to overreact with such long and useless post.” --- Finally, you agree with me in one point (time will tell, let's wait and see) and offer not a single contention on any of the arguments made and facts presented. It’s always good to see someone accepting a loss, even though implicitly, on a logical and factual argument.
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Well, mate, reading what you write on and on, you seem to me as one very confused man. Let's make it clear. Your prediction made me laugh at it and I made it public using some proper emoticons. Nothing else. Nothing personal. Nothing strange for a free public forum. I would have laughed at anyone else stating that Tirana has 70% of winning at home aginst CSKA. (offtopic: Amazing, how did you manage to calculate the exact percent?

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I never meant to argue with you on this very prediction or never intended to make you change your mind. Just took advantage of the message board and showed my opinion on it. That's it. If you don't like it, then it's your problem, not mine. So please, do not involve me in your fictitious arguement and/or "loss accepting" stuff that you are dreaming of.

I never had one with you, so I could have never incurred a loss in it. It's as simple as that.

And finally, when talking of good manners, a couple of free advices from me specially for you.

Please, try not to judge other people's manners, sensitivity and weaknesses when you know'em just from a couple of posts in a inet forum and try not to make a boast of your wealthiness or your life success, again on the same public board. It's silly to say the least and makes a fool of yourself.

Author: richboy
Date: 24-07-2005, 01:52

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 0-0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-1
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 4-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui)1-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-0

Author: maranton
Date: 24-07-2005, 04:49

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 2-1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 0-0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0-3
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-0
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-1
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-2
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 1-3
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 1-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 3-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 0-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-2

Author: edieseb
Date: 24-07-2005, 08:25

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3 LIVERPOOL
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-1 BRONDBY
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0 PARTIZAN
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 0-2 HAJDUK
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0-2 CELTIC
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-1 CSKA
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0 ANDERLECHT
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-1 VALERENGEN
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1 LOKOMOTIV
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2 RAPID
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 3-1 DINAMO
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-1 MALMO
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-3 STEAUA
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-1 TRABZONSPOR

Author: Toni
Date: 24-07-2005, 14:41

cattle-ripper: First, I’m not mates with people who choose to identify themselves with cattle rippers so, please, a little more distance. Secondly, I don’t expect more from you when it comes to understanding logic, I can understand why logic could be very confusing to you, it must be a long lost territory - I said it earlier, I have already checked you out of that department.

You say: ‘I never meant to argue with you on this very prediction” and than later on the same paragraph say “I never had one with you (argument implied)”. You do realize that these are two different things, don’t you? In case you don’t, the first implies you had an argument with me, just were sorry you picked it, the second says you never had one at all. Peeleease, you are even ridiculous within the same paragraph, how can anyone take you seriously? Nevertheless, to get back to the core of it and rip apart your argument again, since you apparently like ripping, the problem is that you could have stated your opinion by just saying your own prediction, or could have made any comments pro your team, like Nick did, without addressing specifically anyone or anyone's nationality, and you could have laughed at the comfort of your home as much as you wanted and so loud that you could have gone out of your mind - you have that right, definitely! But you chose to say publicly that someone’s opinion is laughable and then compound that by pathetically using someone’s nationality to demean even more his opinion or/and nationality rather than use facts and arguments. Well, where most people come from, where common sense come from, that means you got yourself an argument with that someone, but you are apparently spineless and pathetically remind me of Aesop’s fable Fox and the Grapes (read below). Yes, it’s your God-given right to express your own opinion in a free public forum. Thankfully, Bulgaria and Albania are finally free. But, at the same time, didn’t Americans tell you, no pun intended, that with freedom comes responsibility, that you cannot leave your words orphan?

You say you’d laugh at anyone that would predict like me. Not to mention that laughable, by way of majority opinion is more likely your opinion than mine (15:10 – i.e. 50% currently more against yours), but let that as it may be, I don’t see you pick on the other 14 people that predicted like me, a Tirana victory or a tie (70% victory and 30% a tie, by default at worse - off-topic: How I figured that out? Well, well…it’s done through a complicated mathematical neural network model I use, and I’d be glad to show it to you but if you can’t understand my logic here, you have no chance of comprehending the model, so no point of telling you, sorry, you just have to stay in your darkness and cattle-ripping world). Indeed, some predicted even stronger Tirana results than mine like a Tirana qualification but you didn’t pick on them publicly either so, again, don’t sneak and say you would laugh or pick (publicly implied) at anyone, because you did not, because you do not have the balls, because you realized that many others more, indeed a huge majority and unbiased, unlike me and you, predicted like I did, and I will call you on your bs every time I see it.

Finally, it is sorely pathetic that you leave orphan things and arguments that directly relate with the things/comments you say, you run amok away as soon as you’re check-mated on them but then jump on arguments that have nothing to do with you if you feel they suit you (re: “try not to make a boast of your wealthiness or your life success, bla, bla, bla). Consistently, it goes to show your weakness and sneakness. Nevertheless, though it had nothing to do with you, but since you mentioned it twice, I will respond. I was responding to pathetic LevskiFan argument about his patronizing, demeaning and arrogant tone and words. If you read my whole argument, I was being ironic, several times and in two different postings indeed, as well as I wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine and finally I closed my argument by saying that it did not matter who everyone is. Is it attention deficit disorder syndrome that doesn’t allow you to concentrate on a whole argument at one time, that only let you focus on parts of argument that suit you, or the extreme bias and despise you seemingly have makes you color-blind? Can you read and comprehend the whole argument in its entirety, from the beginning to the end, do you understand what an irony is, that someone is justified to use the same ‘weapon’ on someone else when that someone else used that first on him? Gosh…well, if you don’t, I wouldn’t be surprised, that’s not a first. And when it comes to advices please, spare me, is it so hard to understand how low of an opinion I have of your manners and logic that you keep wasting your time? I’m done with you so, do me a favor, don’t waste now more of my time too, would you now?!

Finally, here is the Aesop’s fable:
“One afternoon a fox was walking through the forest and spotted a bunch of grapes hanging from over a lofty branch. "Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he.
Over and over again the fox tried to get the grapes unsuccessfully. Taking a few steps back, the fox jumped and just missed the hanging grapes. Again the fox took a few paces back and tried to reach them but still failed. Finally, giving up, the fox turned up his nose and said, "They're probably sour anyway," and walked away.

Just to make sure the meaning of fable is not confusing to you, here it is: Sometimes, when we cannot get what we want, when we cannot win an argument, we pretend that we did not want it at all really, that we did not have an argument at all to begin with. Touché!

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: BalkanTourist Date: 24-07-2005, 18:02	Sounds like you've got some issues there, Toni. If bashing and dissing people on here makes you feel any better then good for you, but please, in stead of spoiling the forum with your bitterness, go get some professional help. We can't help you on here.

Author: Ina
Date: 24-07-2005, 23:49

BalkanTourist: scroll up and check the thread, Toni didn't bash anyone at first, two of your bulgarian compatriots did. he only defended himself and responded to them in kind, and he has the right to do that. and just because there might more bulgarian fans than albanian fans here doesn’t make right what you say, doesn’t give you the right to speak on behalf of a forum or play the referee. Toni didn’t say anything to you, as he did not to Levskifan or cattle_ripper either, but you all did bash him at first. When you use language like ‘you got some issues, go get some professional help, you’re bitter, etc.’ when he had nothing to do with you in the first place and then expect the other person not to respond back than I think you are the one that got issues. I greatly respect him for standing up to several of you bulgarian fans logically and with facts while none of you were able to even come close to him logically or factually while all of you three resorted to only name calling and offensive words.

Author: Big-Baller
Date: 25-07-2005, 00:08

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 0-1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-3
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 4-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 3-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-4
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui)2-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-2

Author: Big-Baller
Date: 25-07-2005, 00:22

Now I am afraid to post my predictions here because I don't want anyone to actually study my predictions and make funny comments about them. Everything is fair game. That's why football is such a great game. And if somebody thinks a certain team is going to win, then that's his/her opinion. There is no need for name calling or dissing. And then everybody else intervenes like a good attorney but doesn't realize why they get replied to in return!!! Let's be more civilized guys. Noone has issues here; it's a discussion forum. What's even funnier the starter of this whole mess is some fan of a team who does not even participate in the Champions League. His team couldn't even win its own championship but now he is dissing other teams?

I guess let's all go back to Q1 predictions and make fun of everyone who gave Tirana or F91 Dudelange no chance to qualify... https://kassiesa.net/uefa//forum/view.php?topic=20050624214723.xml

Author: MichaelCollins
Date: 25-07-2005, 00:43

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-3
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 1-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui)4-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 3-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-1

I have no fear of putting up my predictions on this site. I got personal attacked by everyone regardless! And Toni, no worries, I predicted Liverpool to win the Champions League and was told I must be blind!

And for the record I'm sticking by my predictions of Scotland and Lithuania to qualify for the World Cup. And also (although I dont believe in it, I must have been drunk or something) Hungary - if that fails (it will) I stand by it to be ridiculed. But the other two I see no reason to drop.

And I hope Tirana AND Dudelange can do something special!

Author: ralfinho
Date: 25-07-2005, 00:49

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0-1
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 0-0
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-1
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 3-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-0
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-2

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Big-Baller Date: 25-07-2005, 00:49	MichaelCollins, I was being sarcastic. I don't really care what anyone would have to say about my prediction. That's why it is A prediction - it's not for sure. Otherwise we'd all be rich. And once again, that's why this sport is fun and that's why this prediction game is fun. You never know what might happen. So I agree with you totally.

Author: FuckAlbania
Date: 25-07-2005, 01:09

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 0-0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-2
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0-2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 0-7 !!!!!
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 2-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 1-3
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-4
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-2

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Big-Baller Date: 25-07-2005, 01:40	This last message should actually cool everything down... Spoken like a true, civilized person with a lot of passion for social well-being!!! Isn't there some kind of rule against people like you in this forum? Or do they just let anyone give an opinion??? Sad... very sad...

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Ina Date: 25-07-2005, 01:52	Funny how people relate - I was exactly thinking the same thing Big-Baller. That last posting should actually cool things down as it shows the true naked nature of some of the people here.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: ralfinho Date: 25-07-2005, 03:00	Big_Baller, lna, ignore it. Not worth to leave more words. Michael, I hope you remember that we were three who predicted the Reds for CL winner (after QF). You, Richie and me.

Author: Osirius
Date: 25-07-2005, 10:20

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 1-1
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-2
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-1
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 2-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 3-1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-3
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-0
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-0

Author: Ariani
Date: 25-07-2005, 11:40

CL Q2 1st Leg

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) x
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) x
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) x

Q1 team that most likely goes to Q3: SK Tirana

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: DeY_BuL Date: 25-07-2005, 11:40	SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 0-3 and 0-5

Author: nelster
Date: 25-07-2005, 11:47

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0:1
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1:0
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 4:1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 0:0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2:0 (Yes I know I am a Rangers fan, but Celtic look a shambles based on pre-season, depends on the quality of the opposition)
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1:1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 5:0
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 3:2
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0:0
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0:3
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 3:1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 0:2
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 2:0
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0:0

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Ariani Date: 25-07-2005, 11:51	Hello from Ariani, a SK Tirana supporter. I predicted SK Tirana as 1, based in the matches we have played so far in CL. Everybody knows we are quite strong in our field, so CSKA [team and fans> be prepaired and stop dreaming. And, a warm welcome to everyone in Tirana, including those two unfriendly Bulgarian fans.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Lunaris Date: 25-07-2005, 12:44	well i don't know why it's such a "sincere" discussion here of course i oppose for example michaelcollins as i hope not that dudelange can do something great (i'm from austria as it seems) but why should i cry at him, just cause he is supporting someone else is there a historical clash between albania and bulgaria that i ndon't understand? well it doesn't matter in the end

Author: Luka
Date: 25-07-2005, 17:26
Edited by: Luka
at: 25-07-2005, 17:36

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-3 Liverpool
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 2-1 Brøndby IF
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0 Partizan Belgrade
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2-2 Hajduk Split
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-3 Celtic
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-2 CSKA Sofia
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0 Anderlecht
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-1 Valerengen IF
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 1-2 Lokomotiv Moscow
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-2 Rapid Wien
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 3-1 Dinamo Kiev
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-0 Malmö FF
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 0-1 Steaua Bucuresti
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-2 Trabzonspor

Author: BalkanTourist
Date: 25-07-2005, 19:52

No, there isn't. I have no problems with Albanians or people of any other national origin or ethnic background. I have no problem with people expressing their oppinions on here, it is a forum after all.
You can say that Kaunas will win the CL for all I care, but I do have a problem when you start putting people down implying how smart you are and how rich which has nothing to do with the outcome of the game. It is absolutely rediculous and it annoys the heck out of me, so do me a favor keep that info to yourself..... And especially for my Albanian friend, I wish you all the best luck, cause you will need it.

Author: Predictor100
Date: 25-07-2005, 20:04

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 5-95
Liverpool will have no serious hurdles until reaching group stage.

Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 40-60
Although georgians are tough,danish champs are better right now.

Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 80-20
Partizan beat Sparta 3-0 in a friendly 8 days ago,I think Sheriff would not be a problem for them.

DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 40-60
A championship won in last gasp for Debrecen and a team in great shape and spirit as Hajduk,close but croatian slightly in advantage.

FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 40-60
Slovakians are hard to digest,maybe they will be a surprise after all,thats why 40 % shows off.

SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 50-50
Not so easy to pass,albanians have the power to obtain the result as CSKA is yet to be at its glorious years...

Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 80-20
Beside the spirit and surprises of Neftchi,I dont think they can stop the great belgian team.

Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 65-35
Haka deserves 35 %,I cant find any strong argument why,just followed my insticts.

Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 30-70
Rabotnicki destroyed Skonto badly and they might get a result at first leg that would make russian side duty harder to qualify,however...

F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 10-90
I still cant believe how Dudelange won in Bosnia,but from now on,they have to enjoy what they got.

Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 55-45
Another close clash,the one to qualify will be enigma till the end of 180 mins!

Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 50-50
Malmo are a good team and so are Israeli champions.No favourites!

Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 50-50
Shelbourne has a great fight spirit,Steaua definitely is not in the glorious years,and won the title in Romania just for 1 more point.

Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 30-70
Anorthosis might have some good players bought lately,but turkish side got better qualities.

Author: Lunaris
Date: 25-07-2005, 20:46

predictor100, are you really sure liverpool will have no real hurdle before the group stage?
looking at qr3 i doubt that it will be very easy for them

there will be betis, udinese, shaktar, trabzonspor and.....
everton

tough hurdles don't you think, well ok they are champions but they played as outsiders and pulled everything on the head, now they are the titleholder and i guess you know the saying:

reaching the top is quite easy, staying on top is surely harder

thus saying i really doubt liverpool has an easy going trough the qualirounds

Author: Ina
Date: 25-07-2005, 20:56
Edited by: Ina
at: 25-07-2005, 21:09

actually, there isn't any known problems i know of. i think that just some bulgarians wanted to ridicule an albanian, his team and albanians in general and he just didn't want to let it go and went after them. when he got them, after they ran out of arguments, they just resorted to worse name calling and even profanities like a post that is already still up and a much horrible one full of profanities i happened to catch but that was erased later.

balkantourist: he gave cattle_ripper the answer to that concern of urs. go back and read it. what surprises me however is that you and no bulgarian fan seem to care or be offended so far by the profanities bulgarian fans have resorted to.

Author: Toenne
Date: 25-07-2005, 21:22

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0-2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-2
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 3-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0-1
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 1-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 1-3
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 1-5 (sorry dudelange)
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-2
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 0-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-0

Author: cattle_ripper
Date: 25-07-2005, 23:13
Edited by: cattle_ripper
at: 25-07-2005, 23:22

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actually, there isn't any known problems i know of. i think that just some bulgarians wanted to ridicule an albanian, his team and albanians in general and he just didn't want to let it go and went after them. when he got them, after they ran out of arguments, they just resorted to worse name calling and even profanities like a post that is already still up and a much horrible one full of profanities i happened to catch but that was erased later.

balkantourist: he gave cattle_ripper the answer to that concern of urs. go back and read it. what surprises me however is that you and no bulgarian fan seem to care or be offended so far by the profanities bulgarian fans have resorted to.
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Do I have to write another one here?
I guess I have to.

Repeating for n+1! time ...
I don't have a single problem with albanians. I guess most of them are nice guys. However, Mr. Toni (let's address him that way, 'cause he refuses to be my mate

) obviously has one with part of the bulgarians (including me) on this board.
I never ever had an arguement with him. Those who care to read the whole lot of off-topic posts here, should be able to verify that with their own eyes.

However, the guy continues to write his novels here fighting with the windmills.

Yet, I am OK with this. Let him believe the he "check-mated me and I accepted the loss".

If any of the other Bulgarians here wrote something offensive anf disrespectful towards Mr. Toni and albanians in general using a shameful nick, ban his IP. I'm OK with this.

Now, Ina, Mr. Tony, ladies & gents, please allow me to retreat ashamed of the loss

, unitl at least the first leg of CL QR2 is over.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Steaua_Bucuresti Date: 25-07-2005, 23:47	Predictor100 : Last year Steaua Bucuresti had reached into the last 16 of Uefa Cup. They eliminated CSKA Sofia and Valencia ( no. 1 in 2004 FIFA Team Rankings ) and also they beat Besiktas and Standard Liege. I'm not saying that Steaua is a world class team but they won't have any problems with Shelbourne. I think Steaua will score more than 5 goals in these two matches.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 26-07-2005, 12:02	I also think Steaua will have no probs with Shelbourne. They may draw the first game but Shelbourne will have no chances in Bucarest. Same goes for Tirana - CSKA.

Author: porto-1978
Date: 26-07-2005, 12:16

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 1-2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 2-1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-1
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2-2
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-0
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-1
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 1-2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 3-1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0-1

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: MichaelCollins Date: 26-07-2005, 15:56	Steaua are a cert to win the game I think. Shelbourne are improving, but Steaua were terrific in Europe last season and I just cant see the upset. Dudelange is of course wishful thinking. But Tirana/CSKA. Well I stick with my SK prediction. Bulgarian football tends to be overrated anyway.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: cattle_ripper Date: 26-07-2005, 16:18	You might wish to make some money then. 2.85 is a good odd.

Author: ignjat63
Date: 26-07-2005, 17:24

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 2
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 2
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 0
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 1
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 2
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0

Author: rexi
Date: 26-07-2005, 18:19

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 1-4
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 1-3
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 2-0
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 1-1
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 1-0
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 3-1
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 3-0
Vålerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 2-2
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0-2
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0-4
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 2-1
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 2-0
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-2
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 1-1

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: igrima18 Date: 26-07-2005, 20:15 Edited by: igrima18 at: 26-07-2005, 21:30	Anorthosis is winning !!!!!!!! this year is a good year for this team although there is another half to be played !!!! And also red card for Trabzonspor player !!!!!!!! I. Yattara 3-1 !!!!!!!!!! Anorthosis will pass this 2nd round I think !!!! Who may be the possible opponents of Anorthosis will be known next friday ????

Author: OhioUefaFan
Date: 26-07-2005, 23:04

A great result for the team from Cyprus, but that away goal may come back to haunt them. 2-0 at home isn't an impossible task.

As far as potential opponents, well...these are the listed, seeded QR3 teams.

Liverpool
Man Utd
Inter
Panathinaikos
Celtic
Villareal
Sporting Lisbon
Monaco
Ajax
Club Brugge
Anderlecht
Rangers
Dinamo Kiev
Werder Bremen
Lokomotiv Moscow
Rosenborg

Good luck in the second leg.

Author: Toni
Date: 27-07-2005, 00:04
Edited by: Toni
at: 27-07-2005, 00:13

BalkanTourist: Just get lost, no one was talking to you to begin with, but you have the audacity to play the referee/judge using derogatory comments that make cattle_ripper look benign now; Again, Ina, Big-Baller, MichaelCollins, ralfnino, Lunaris and Ariani told you, directly or indirectly, not to play the referee/judge and not to use derogatory comments. And, finally, please, don’t keep dwelling on points already addressed. Can’t you read what I said earlier like others told you as well? I wasn't even talking to you you but you jump in uninvited and start addressing me with derogatory comments while pretending to play the referee/judge. I’m not gonna deal with you but the things you say warrant this: Just go away, you are cruelly depriving a remote asian steppes hun village somewhere of an uneducated person.

{{ Repeating for n+1! time ...I don't have a single problem with albanians. I guess most of them are nice guys. However, Mr. Toni (let's address him that way, 'cause he refuses to be my mate) obviously has one with part of the bulgarians (including me) on this board. I never ever had an arguement with him. Those who care to read the whole lot of off-topic posts here, should be able to verify that with their own eyes. However, the guy continues to write his novels here fighting with the windmills. Yet, I am OK with this. Let him believe the he "check-mated me and I accepted the loss >>.

Well, cattle_ripper, apparently some read it and cared enough to respond to you and your Bulgarian friends including 6 people like Ina, Big-Baller, MichaelCollins, ralfnino, Lunaris and Ariani and most of them are apparently non Albanians. I can understand that now you want to make it just between me and you because that’s all it’s left for you now but, which part of their comments that were against your and the other two Bulgarian fans’ comments didn’t you understand that you keep appealing to the forum? The way the common sense sees things you’re the one fighting the windmills since you fail to realize that. The only people that understood you were your apparent Bulgarian compatriots like ‘FuckAlbania’ and ‘BalkanTourist’ who both resorted to insults and derogatory comments which, like Big-Baller, Ina and others said, should settle the matter as it shows, like they said earlier, ‘the true naked nature’ and hateful/despiteful core of several of the Bulgarian fans comments here. You may not like my novels but I just don’t like your crap and will call on it every time I see it.

{{ If any of the other Bulgarians here wrote something offensive anf disrespectful towards Mr. Toni and albanians in general using a shameful nick, ban his IP. I'm OK with this. >>

If?!? Don’t you see that up there and don’t you think that’s offensive enough that you have to use the neutral conjunction ‘if’? Is it hard to read/understand what is offensive or you just read/understand again only what suits you?

{{ Now, Ina, Mr. Tony, ladies & gents, please allow me to retreat ashamed of the loss, unitl at least the first leg of CL QR2 is over >>

You still don’t get it, do you? You think that if CSKA wins tomorrow that will justify you ridiculing someone’s opinion and nationality. Go back and read what I said before. Tirana might NOT beat or tie CSKA in any of the two games, that's NOT the point of this argument at all. And even IF Tirana Wins/Qualifies, it still does NOT make directly my point we were having here. The only point was that, first, it’s not civil to use demeaning, derogatory comments and now profanities on someone’s opinion or nationality, rather than facts, to express that your team will win. Whatever the result is tomorrow, can’t you see that it has nothing to do with this? The second point I was making was to show that it is realistic, factually, based on similar situations we have at hand now, to make an argument that Tirana could likely beat/tie CSKA - that's all. It does NOT mean that it is inevitable, just that it COULD realistically happen, that it is NOT laughable, let alone surely shouldn’t warrant derogatory comments, because similar recent situations, because facts we have at hand now support that claim, because civility warrants that, as well as an overwhelming international majority of fans here does support that claim as well. Whatever happens tomorrow, it has no bearing, it has nothing to do with what our argument was all about today. That shouldn’t be so hard to understand, should it now? I have a very busy day tomorrow showing around Tirana to a Bulgarian fan and later watching a game. Let us now watch the game in peace for Pete’s sake, shouldn't we now? Peace.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Toni Date: 27-07-2005, 00:38 Edited by: Toni at: 27-07-2005, 01:59	I'm happy for Anorthosis, it gives hope to all underdogs. Disappointed at Dinamo Tbilisi, I thought they would pull it off. Haka still have a chance and happy that Thun did well. Anderlecht's and Liverpool's, though Kaunas led for some time, were predicted results.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: galatasaray Date: 27-07-2005, 01:55	this match is not important trabzonspor will go throught to 3rd qual. round simple with 4 or 5 - 0 match

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 27-07-2005, 06:04
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 27-07-2005, 06:05

lol now u change ur opinion......first saying that Tirana has a very good chance opf eliminating CSKA....now saying that even if Tirana wins.....they have a little chance of beating/drawing Cska....every day as the matchday comes closer and closer u get to talk more realistic u see.....that was my point

!I think u got it.... Anyway....also saying that if Tirana loses both matches.....now...come on....u were so sure that they will win.....and now u think they will lose both matches????Sorry pal....but I think u are really confused....can u say ur prediction for crist sake...1 PREDICTION, without changing it all the time??? Now....heres my prediction....Cska will qualify for the 3rd round and theres no doubt about that! That is just my opinion....but I don't and won't change it!

Oh and I don't care who u are...what u do...and how smart u are....we are just football fans here discussing football....no matter who we are!

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Munja Date: 27-07-2005, 15:04	1.I am not Bulgarian. Tony I read only your first gigantic post. It does not only matter what you write. Such quantity of text shows that there is much emotions in your posts and this is realy not right place to release them. I think that this forum does not have capacity to solve this Bulgaro-Albanian war, so please bring it onto another field.

Author: Ina
Date: 27-07-2005, 16:50
Edited by: Ina
at: 27-07-2005, 17:12

LevskiFan: I thought you went away for some time. I think it's best you stay away because you were the one that first ignited these arguments. If you still don't get it and keep childishly provoking things, I can't help you but know you'll be despised even more.

Munja: First, I don't think it really matters where everyone online is from, we could be from everywhere, for all we know. The way I see it is that to be belieavable it is only fair to realize both sides and especially to see who provoked things and who continued to provoke things, because you could talk bad all day long about the consequences of a thing without realizing that it was the cause that did it.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Munja Date: 27-07-2005, 17:25 Edited by: Munja at: 27-07-2005, 17:27	I am from outer space. It is completely normal that every fan thinks a little better about his club than rest of the world, and that he wants his club to win. Take your energy to the stadium (I mean all of you crazy southeuropeans ) before this topic start another Balcan war.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: MichaelCollins Date: 27-07-2005, 18:07	So after all this, I'm strangely looking forward to the Tirana-CSKA tie now as a neutral. And if I hadnt read this thread, I'd probably have passed it over. So good job guys. Now, I bet it ends 0-0! lol.

Author: rexi
Date: 27-07-2005, 19:13
Edited by: rexi
at: 27-07-2005, 19:15

well, as for another war... there wont be one. Pretty sure that albanians and bulgarians get along very well.

Soccerwise, I am pretty sure that CSKA Sofia is not taking this game as easy as they make it appear. They know their own power, and they know how much Tirana can damage them and what results they have achieved. Recently (10 years or so) CSKA Sofia has not been performing as an Elite team and they know very well they are not one anymore.
Tirana, have never been one, therefore they have a shot at making history... and they have nothing to lose. Recenlty they have performed just as well as CSKA Sofia (maybe one leg less) in the champions league, so the difference is not big. Add to that the field factor and that would make it a very interesting game tonight!

I am pretty sure that CSKA Sofia are in for a big surprise tonight and don't be so amazed when the score shows even more than 3 goals for Tirana. CSKA will be lucky if they score 1 goal!

New prediction: 3-1 or 4-1 for Tirana.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: cattle_ripper Date: 27-07-2005, 19:41	I am pretty sure that CSKA Sofia are in for a big surprise tonight and don't be so amazed when the score shows even more than 3 goals for Tirana. CSKA will be lucky if they score 1 goal! New prediction: 3-1 or 4-1 for Tirana. ----------

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Kronsky Date: 27-07-2005, 19:46 Edited by: Kronsky at: 27-07-2005, 19:49	WOW! The match before the match! Now I also will look closer to see the match! from the neutral position I feel that emotions are huge as I read this topic, I would be happy to see both sides showing each other more respect, but maybee its just a balkan way of diplomacy lol to both teams And Munja...how did You figure out that You are from outher space!? Reagards Kronsky

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Igelrock Date: 27-07-2005, 19:58	After a 1:6 victory in Dudelange nothing should happpen to Rapid to proceed to CL Q round 3!

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 27-07-2005, 20:29
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 27-07-2005, 20:30

lol....Ina....first....I used to post here some time ago and I'm happy to be back....second....I am not acting like a child and not trying to provoke anyone....the person who does that is Toni....just look at his posts...they are rediculous!!!All I have said are facts and u know it!Please don't think of me as an arguable person

Anyway....the match is stating really soon and finally u will all see how Cska beats Tirana

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: maccabi Date: 27-07-2005, 20:51	Half: Malmo 1 - Macc. Haifa 2

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Munja Date: 27-07-2005, 21:18	Acting childish? No, no, no... Who would say such a thing! It is clear when you read all those meaningless posts that no one is acting childish

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: stoffel Date: 27-07-2005, 21:45 Edited by: stoffel at: 27-07-2005, 21:45	Exit Celtic in Europe. 10 minutes for the end 4:0. Good for Belgium to get place 9 in the ranking.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: cattle_ripper Date: 27-07-2005, 22:37 Edited by: cattle_ripper at: 27-07-2005, 22:54	Yep, CSKA were lucky and scored ... two goals. Good luck to Tirana. :p

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: LevskiFan Date: 27-07-2005, 22:51 Edited by: LevskiFan at: 27-07-2005, 22:52	OMG...what a sensation Cska won haha Joking aside....those people who were so sure that Tirana has any chance of getting something out of this match.....I think the 0:2 result will tell them everything....even though it was the minimum Cska could get... and Toni...next time careful what u ae saying

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: cattle_ripper Date: 27-07-2005, 22:53	Author: cattle_ripper Date: 21-07-2005, 17:04 Edited by: cattle_ripper at: 21-07-2005, 17:05 Oh, the guy is albanian. That makes his joke more reasonable Now getting serous: SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 2 (0:2) ----------------- I'm good at predictions, am I not?!

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: SHEV Date: 28-07-2005, 00:35	As much of us predicted CSKA won easily away 2-0.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: LevskiFan Date: 28-07-2005, 00:39	Yup....that match was known before it started how its gonna end...

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Rox Date: 28-07-2005, 01:09 Edited by: Rox at: 28-07-2005, 01:15	I dont know if CSKA won easily or not but both goals were scored in last 2 minutes so maybe it was not so easy, however progress of CSKA is now almost sure I think

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: LevskiFan Date: 28-07-2005, 01:13	well cska had like 4 100% goal chances....but somehow they managed to waste them....Tirana had 1 great chance of scoring...but cska's goalie reacted well....ovwerall cska controlled the match and should of won by bigger difference, but had no luck....

Author: Nick
Date: 28-07-2005, 14:13
Edited by: Nick
at: 28-07-2005, 14:16

Well i met Toni before the match in Tirana (many great thaks for the great time in Albania again!) and i told him exactly how the match will finish. CSKA controlling the game and waiting for Tirana to get tired. This happened around the 70-th min. After Tirana was out of breath it was only a matter of time for CSKA to score as much as they wanted/needed. They scored twice in 2 min. That's it. The game could have been 1:3, 0:3, 1:2 but CSKA was never in real danger of loosing. Even if Tirana had scored that wouldn't change anything. In the last 20 min. they could barely walk and all CSKA players had enough stamina to overrun them at will. Somehow it's the same thing as last year with Omonia, just a bit easier.

And very special congratulations to Artmedia!!!!! One bulgraian radio comentaror said yesterday that the odds for a 5:0 against Celtic must have been a million to one

Now i have a new dream opponent for QR3

Author: Toni
Date: 28-07-2005, 15:34
Edited by: Toni
at: 28-07-2005, 15:39

Tirana played as well as CSKA in the first half and, as Nick told me at break time, anyone could have won the first half. In the second half Tirana played better for most of the time and had 3 clear chances but run out of steam in the last 10 minutes and, since they were still stupidly attacking even though they were tired, CSKA punished that missing of chances and stupidity not to get back to defend while tired by scoring in the last 2 minutes in the only 2 clear chances it had in the 2nd half. CSKA coach said after the game that CSKA didn't play well and ANY of the three results WAS POSSIBLE. Couple Bulgarian journalists, whom I met at half-time and after the game, expressed the same feeling that the game was even and each of the teams could have won. And Nick, don’t be so sure that if Tirana had scored in the 75th minute you would have been able to score as easily as you did, scoring in the last 2 minutes and extra added time 2 goals doesn’t ring as an inevitability - with if-s we can go way far so, leaving the if-s aside, the reality was that it was an even match where Tirana had a real chance to win or tie but that was won by CSKA with 2 goals in the last 2 minutes (I am glad you really enjoyed Tirana during the 5hrs we shared together. Btw, what happened to my memorabilia?

).

So, for all of you that said a Tirana victory or a tie was laughable or impossible, hopefully you can see with a cool mind that that wasn't the case. As for you levskifan and cattle_ripper, I don’t have much trust that your small minds are able to distinguish the difference between making a prediction, like we all did, and ridiculing a prediction, implying it’s impossible to happen, like you did. The field of the game showed it and CSKA coach accepted it that it WAS possible Tirana could have won or tied the game. CSKA won, but that was not an inevitability by any means or strech of imagination! And, by the way, hold your breath, it’s not over yet until the fat lady sings! There are 90 more minutes to be played and Tirana is appealing that Sokolov player inclusion and we will see what happens.

And, yes Munja, Balkan people might be passionate about things but then, so what? As Frederick Douglass said, those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the roar of its many waters.

Author: Nick
Date: 28-07-2005, 17:11
Edited by: Nick
at: 28-07-2005, 17:15

Toni: Don't expect anything from the appeal

Really. I talked to our officials after the game and they told me all this was total bullshit. They also got a second check from the BFU right before the game and they told them there is no problem with the player and the BFU IS THE LAST INSTANCE in this case.
Our radios also commented this Naftex shit today and they also said there is no chance for anything for Tirana in such an appeal.

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 28-07-2005, 17:27
Edited by: LevskiFan
at: 28-07-2005, 17:28

Man....Toni...come on u still believe that u have chance against Cska

.....well I understand that ur hope won't die.....but the reality is different!U had ur only chance in Albania to get something out of this match....u wasted it.....now sorry to say it but u will lose with at least 2 or 3 goals difference....just not sure if the Cska playes will bothered to score more goals as they will have more important match for the Bulgarian Championsip after that....and will be trying to avoid any injuries.....

Author: Omero
Date: 28-07-2005, 19:00
Edited by: Omero
at: 28-07-2005, 23:47

Second Leg:

FBK Kaunas(Lit) - Liverpool(Eng) 0:3
Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) - Brøndby IF(Den) 0:3
Partizan Belgrade(Srb) - Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) 1:1
DVSC Debrecen(Hun) - Hajduk Split(Cro) 2:0
FC Petrzalka(Svk) - Celtic (Sco) 0:6
SK Tirana (Alb) - CSKA Sofia(Bul) 0:3
Anderlecht(Bel) - Neftchi Baku(Azb) 0:2
Valerengen IF(Nor) - Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) 1:1
Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) - Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) 0:4
F91 Dudelange(Lux) - Rapid Wien(Aut) 0:5
Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) - FC Thun(Sui) 1:2
Malmö FF(Swe) - Maccabi Haifa(Isr) 0:1
Shelbourne(Irl) - Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) 1-1
Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) - Trabzonspor(Tur) 0:2

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 28-07-2005, 20:11	Omero: That's what i call an optimist You really think Tirana wins 3:0 in Sofia ???? Jesus Christ, i can't remember which was the last team to win with 3 goals in Sofia but for sure that was not in the last 20-30 years

Author: bjkman1903
Date: 28-07-2005, 20:50

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 3:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 2:0
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 0:1
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 1:0
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 2:0
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 0:0
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 0:2
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 0:0
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 2:0
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 5:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 1:1
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 1:0
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 1-0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 4:0 (2 Goals of Fatih Tekke,Szymkowiak, Gökdeniz lol

)

Author: cattle_ripper
Date: 28-07-2005, 22:29

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 1
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 1
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 1
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) X
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 1
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 1 4:0
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 2
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 1
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 1
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 1
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 1
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 1
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 1

Author: LevskiFan
Date: 28-07-2005, 22:36

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 4:0 Liverpool
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 3:0 Brondby
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 2:0 Sheriff
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 1:1 Debrecen
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 3:0 Pertzalka
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 5:0 CSKA Sofia
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 0:3 Anderlecht
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 3:1 Haka
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 3:1 Loko
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 7:0 Rapid
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 2:1 Thun
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 2:0 Maccabi
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 2-1 Steaua
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 2:1 Anorthosis

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Omero Date: 28-07-2005, 23:48	Oh sorry i wanted to write that CSKA Sofia will give Tirana 3...i'll correct it.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: flob Date: 28-07-2005, 23:54	Omero: That's what i call an optimist You really think Tirana wins 3:0 in Sofia ???? Jesus Christ, i can't remember which was the last team to win with 3 goals in Sofia but for sure that was not in the last 20-30 years Nick, 20-30 years ??? Alzheimer??? 2003/04 CL QR3: Galatasaray Istanbul - CSKA Sofia 3:0 CSKA Sofia - Galatasaray Istanbul 0:3

Author: Nick
Date: 29-07-2005, 00:26

Sorry, forgot that one

Nevertheless it's not realistic for Tirana to score 3 goals in Sofia. On the other hand I also don't think we will score big in Sofia. Maybe 1:0, 2:1 or 2:0 not more. Even a draw wouldn't surprise me. Our players have to play for the Supercup on sunday and next saturday they have a hard away game in the 1st round of the new championship. So they won't do more then the nessesary to qualify against Tirana.

Author: Big-Baller
Date: 29-07-2005, 00:41

Guys, what's with all the threatening comments still? It's a soccer forum; not a socio-econo-political development forum. It is funny how people will judge a game just by the score - 2-0 doesn't mean that a team dominated. I had the chance to watch the Tirana-CSKA game and it was as balanced as it gets. I think that the CSKA was the better side (at least physically) but I think Tirana hung tough until the 85th minute. I think the game should have been a tie in my opinion. They both had pretty good scoring chances (more than 1 clear one for Tirana must I add). I was not impressed by CSKA after all the hype that it received here. Physically they were superior but I don't think they would go far with just physical superiority.

I don't think Tirana has a chance to qualify but I don't think they will lose 5-0 in Sofia. I think it will be a closer game than people think. 1-1. I am curious to see what Celtic has in store for the second leg. I don't see a come-back but it will be interesting...

Author: irshav
Date: 29-07-2005, 04:20

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 3:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 4:0
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 2:1
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 1:0
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 3:2
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 4:1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 1:2
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 2:1
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 3:0
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 6:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 1:1
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 2:0
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 3:0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 3:1

Author: Big-Baller
Date: 29-07-2005, 06:18

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 3:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 3:1
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 2:2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 2:0
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 1:2
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 1:1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 0:3
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 1:1
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 3:1
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 5:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 1:2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 2:1
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 3:1
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 2:0

Author: cattle_ripper
Date: 29-07-2005, 09:18
Edited by: cattle_ripper
at: 29-07-2005, 09:18

I don't think Tirana has a chance to qualify but I don't think they will lose 5-0 in Sofia. I think it will be a closer game than people think. 1-1. I am curious to see what Celtic has in store for the second leg. I don't see a come-back but it will be interesting...
-------
They will. If the home team wants it. But looking at CSKA schedule ... it's much more likely that they will not push hard enough and stop somewhere around 3:0

Author: Ariani
Date: 29-07-2005, 15:25

Hello from Ariani, a SK Tirana supporter.
Toni's and and Big Ballers comment are just fair and balanced. Tirana missed the chance to get a draw or a minimal win (1-0). CSKA was not better than Tirana, as Big Baller also says.
But it is soccer. We lost in the end. And it was not the right result, but God knows how it happened.
We hope to play a good match next week. As it seems we won't go further, but Sk Tirana will be in CL next year also, we hope. So, see you next year again friends of the forum.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 29-07-2005, 20:12	Arriani: Tirana is not a bad team at all. But they lack the condition to go over 90 min. at high speed. In the last 20 min. they could barely walk and so came the goals. Tirana coaches should do something about it. Without proper condition you can't beat even mediocre teams in Europe.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Pawelm_18 Date: 29-07-2005, 22:01	Why all speak about match CSKA-Tirana??? politics? history? football?

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 30-07-2005, 00:34	pawel: nobody really knows. there is actually nothing special about this match no politics or history for sure

Author: ralfinho
Date: 30-07-2005, 00:37

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 3:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 1:0
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 1:1
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 2:1
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 3:0
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 2:0
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 0:1
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 1:1
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 3:1
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 3:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 1:2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 2:1
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 2-0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 3:0

Author: walter-wade
Date: 30-07-2005, 01:37

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 1
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 1
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 0
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 1
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 0
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 0
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 1
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 1
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 1
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 1
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 1

Author: Ariani
Date: 30-07-2005, 10:59

Nick, I am glad that you admited that "Tirana is not a bad team at all". Yes, they lack the condition to go over 90 min at high speed.
I must admit also that you are right. Albanian teams are not so strong physically and SK Tirana is not an exception. But we have spirit and our supporters love the team and its history. I am glad you saw that Albanians in general are good people and know how to treat well the guests.
We will be on the scene next year again (and we still hope in the miracle). We are a people full of hope.

Author: EarlofBug
Date: 30-07-2005, 20:56

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 3:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 2:0
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 1:2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 2:1
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 3:0
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 3:0
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 1:2
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 1:2
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 2:0
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 4:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 1:2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 2:0
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 3:0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 3:1

Author: Lio
Date: 31-07-2005, 14:35

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 1
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 1
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 1
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 1
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 2
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) N
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 1
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 1
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) N
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl)1
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp)1

Author: Rox
Date: 01-08-2005, 17:05

{b>Liverpool(Eng){/b> - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 1 (99-1)
{b>Brondby IF(Den{/b>) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 1 (95-5)
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - {b>Partizan Belgrade(Srb){/b> 0 (30-70)
Hajduk Split(Cro) - {b>DVSC Debrecen(Hun){/b> 0 (15-85)
Celtic (Sco) - {b>FC Petrzalka(Svk){/b> 1 (10-90)
{b>CSKA Sofia(Bul){/b> - SK Tirana (Alb) 1 (90-10)
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - {b>Anderlecht(Bel){/b> 2 (1-99)
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - {b>Valerenga IF(Nor){/b> 0 (35-65)
{b>Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus){/b> - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 1 (80-20)
{b>Rapid Wien(Aut){/b> - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 1 (99-1)
FC Thun(Sui) - {b>Dinamo Kiev(Ukr){/b> 2 (50-50)
{b>Maccabi Haifa(Isr){/b> - Malmö FF(Swe) 1 (60-40)
{b>Steaua Bucuresti(Rom){/b> - Shelbourne(Irl) 1 (60-40)
{b>Trabzonspor(Tur){/b> - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 1 (50-50)

Author: Pawelm_18
Date: 01-08-2005, 17:48

{b>Liverpool(Eng){/b> - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 1
{b>Brondby IF(Den){/b> - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 1
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - {b>Partizan Belgrade(Srb){/b> 0
Hajduk Split(Cro) - {b>DVSC Debrecen(Hun){/b> 1
Celtic (Sco) - {b>FC Petrzalka(Svk){/b> 1
{b>CSKA Sofia(Bul){/b> - SK Tirana (Alb) 1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - {b>Anderlecht(Bel){/b> 0
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - {b>Valerenga IF(Nor){/b> 2
{b>Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus){/b> - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 1
{b>Rapid Wien(Aut){/b> - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 1
FC Thun(Sui) - {b>Dinamo Kiev(Ukr){/b> 2
{b>Maccabi Haifa(Isr){/b> - Malmö FF(Swe) 1
{b>Steaua Bucuresti(Rom){/b> - Shelbourne(Irl) 1
{b>Trabzonspor(Tur){/b> - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 1

Author: Nick
Date: 01-08-2005, 18:14

100% to qualify: Liverpool, CSKA Sofia, Brondby, Anderlecht, Rapid Wien. None of their opponents can go through after the first leg.

90%+ - Artmedia, Lokomotive Moscow
80% - Steaua, Maccabi Haifa, Debrecen

All other ties are 50-50 IMO and both sides could qualify.

Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb)
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerenga IF(Nor)
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr)
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp)

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Luka Date: 01-08-2005, 18:27 Edited by: Luka at: 01-08-2005, 18:27	Agree with Nick except of Malmoe - Maccabi pair. I wouldn't say it is 80-20 for israeli team. Rather closer to 50-50 let's say 60-40

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 01-08-2005, 18:51	Forgot to mention: Biggest upset, other than Artmedia of course, could be in Tiraspol.

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Rox Date: 01-08-2005, 19:35 Edited by: Rox at: 01-08-2005, 19:36	2 Nick: I dont agree with you, nothing is impossible in football, my opinion is above

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: sayko Date: 01-08-2005, 20:00	Trabzonspor has no chance against Anorthosis Anorthosis will win the match also in Turkey easily

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Lunaris Date: 01-08-2005, 20:01	i'll try something similar to nick: 99% (as mentioned nothing is impossible): rapid, petrzalka, liverpool, anderlecht 80% : brondby, cska, debrecen 60% : partizan, valerenga,lok (as i put them on a higher level as their opponents) 50% : all the others (dinamo-thun, malmö-maccabi, anorthosis-trabzon, shelbourne-steaua)

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 01-08-2005, 21:05	Of course nothing is impossible in football. That's why we all love this game so much.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 02-08-2005, 09:42

What a suprise of Artmedia. I think they should be able to manage, but that will be the main surprise in this round:
Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit)(3-1) 3:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo)(2-0) 3:1
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb)(0-1) 1:2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun)(0-3) 2:0
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk)(0-5) 4:1
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb)(2-0) 3:1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel)(0-5) 1:3
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor)(0-1) 1:1
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac)(1-1) 3:1
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux)(6-1) 5:1
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr)(2-2) 0:2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe)(2-3) 2:0
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl)(0-0) 3:0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp)(1-3) 2:0

The closest team to turn around these predictions are (in this order) Malmo, Anorthosis, Celtic, Sherrif.

Author: alexx
Date: 02-08-2005, 09:50

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 4:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 2:0
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 0:2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 1:0
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 2:0
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 1:0
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 0:2
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 1:0
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 3:0
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 4:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 1:1
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 0:0
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 3:0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 3:1

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 02-08-2005, 10:08 Edited by: Nick at: 02-08-2005, 10:13	CSKA will not win with more that 1 goal difference against Tirana. I even expect a draw. CSKA has a difficult away match on saturday and a Liverpool game next wednesday. They won't do more that the absolutely nessesary to qualify. I'm making this comment for the ppl who will bet on this match. I would avoid it or go for a draw especially if there is a handicap like 0:1.

Author: nelster
Date: 02-08-2005, 10:10

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) 1:0
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) 0:0
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) 2:2
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) 1:2
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) 1:3 (as with the 1st leg, I should know!)
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) 4:1
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) 2:0
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) 0:3
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) 3:0
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) 8:0
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) 0:2
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) 4:2
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) 3:0
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) 2:2

Author: igrima18
Date: 02-08-2005, 10:39

Liverpool(Eng) - FBK Kaunas(Lit) LIVERPOOL
Brøndby IF(Den) - Dinamo Tbilisi(Geo) BRONDBY
Sheriff Tiraspol(Mol) - Partizan Belgrade(Srb) PARTIZAN
Hajduk Split(Cro) - DVSC Debrecen(Hun) DEBRECEN
Celtic (Sco) - FC Petrzalka(Svk) PETRAZALKA
CSKA Sofia(Bul) - SK Tirana (Alb) CSKA
Neftchi Baku(Azb) - Anderlecht(Bel) ANDERLECTH
Haka Valkeakoski(Fin) - Valerengen IF(Nor) VALERENGA
Lokomotiv Moscow(Rus) - Rabotnicki Skopje(Mac) RABOTNICKI
Rapid Wien(Aut) - F91 Dudelange(Lux) RAPID
FC Thun(Sui) - Dinamo Kiev(Ukr) THUN
Maccabi Haifa(Isr) - Malmö FF(Swe) MALMO
Steaua Bucuresti(Rom) - Shelbourne(Irl) SHELBOURNE
Trabzonspor(Tur) - Anorthosis Famagusta(Cyp) ANORTHOSIS FAMAGUSTA

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Lio Date: 04-08-2005, 11:42	Nobody write person's result of pronostic?The game stoped?It was sympathic however.

Author: Predictor100
Date: 09-08-2005, 00:09

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Ricardo Date: 09-08-2005, 08:27	I see you only having 7 out of 14 right. That's closer to 50%

Re: Predictions for CL Q2
Author: Nick Date: 09-08-2005, 10:03	Predictor100: You don't count those 50:50 games as correct predictions i hope If so i can get a 100% correct prediction by predicting all games 50:50