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Author: neill
Date: 30-03-2005, 10:32

My team, Heart of Midlothian, have withdrawn their interest in taking part in the Intertoto Cup this summer which means that no Scottish teams will enter. One of the reasons Hearts have quoted is that they would be fined 300,000 Swiss francs if they qualify for the UEFA Cup and have to pull out of the Intertoto Cup.

Surely the Intertoto Cup has been set up for teams who have just missed out on European qualification domestically. How can a club determine whether they will qualify for the UEFA Cup in March? Why show an interest in taking part if you are financially punished for withdrawing? It is no wonder Scottish clubs don't take part when our national game is in financial crisis.

Any opinions?

Author: isidromv
Date: 30-03-2005, 10:54
Edited by: isidromv
at: 30-03-2005, 10:55

In the official rules for last Intertoto cup it is said that clubs will be fined with CHF 300000 if they refuse to play after the draw is made.

But it is also said that a FA can only nominate teams that, by the deadline (31st May), can not qualify to other european competitions.
I think this exclude the possibility of qualifying to UEFA cup and having to pay the fine.

But possibly I misunderstood the rules. This is the link.

Author: Gauss
Date: 30-03-2005, 11:10
Edited by: Gauss
at: 30-03-2005, 11:21

That seems very strange to me. I don't think it's possible that a club is fined (by UEFA?) for not being able to take part in Intertoto-Cup because of qualifying for UEFA-Cup.
To my knowledge ALL german clubs that might qualify for UEFA-Cup regularly also declare their interest of playing UI-Cup and I have never heard of any fines.
Or is the reason that Hearts are the only scottish club that showed interest and UEFA might fine the Scottish FA if they don't enter a club?

Edit: The rules isidromv just mentioned seem to confirm me (Article 7, 7.01). Not clubs will be fined but the FA.

Author: neill
Date: 30-03-2005, 11:22

I have read the regulations and it is still unclear to me whether the club or national association would be fined. However, what is clear is that a fine would be imposed. Last season, Hearts and Hibs entered the Intertoto Cup, Hearts could not play as they qualified for the UEFA Cup and Hibs stepped in. You may be right in saying that because there is no backup team that the Scottish FA will be fined.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: anita Date: 30-03-2005, 12:36	Indeed. It must be like that. The national FA guarantee for a certain amount of teams, and that's why you see in the preliminary Intertoto draw that e.g. MAC 1 shall meet BEL 2, since the teams names are yet to be confirmed before the league has ended.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: eoinh Date: 30-03-2005, 13:32	When is that draw? It must be fairly soon!

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 30-03-2005, 16:35	The draw is usually on a Monday early April, so it should be next Monday or 11 April I think.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 30-03-2005, 18:51
Edited by: Ricardo
at: 31-03-2005, 11:22

Yes the draw is supposed to be April 11th (As was in the other topic, first item.
I also remeber that the local FA will be fined, and that that was the reason the local FA is careful. Ofcourse a local FA can tell a club that it will be fined if it withdraws, though qualifying for the Uefa directly should be excluded.
I can understand it is bad for the competition if teams withdraw at last minute. But why do they hold this draw already in April. In 'normal' rounds, the draw is held 2 weeks in advance, so this should be doable for the intertoto too, not?

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: me_torq792 Date: 30-03-2005, 20:34	Has the preliminary intertoto draw taken place? If so, can someone kindly direct me? cheers

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: Ricardo Date: 31-03-2005, 11:24	me_torq792, in the reaction just above yours the date is mentioned: April 11th. You have to wait until that day before the draw takes place. You'll have to wait anohter xxxx days before the draw is published (fill in something between 1 and 100 days)

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: eoinh Date: 31-03-2005, 12:02	There is an inter-toto cup site HERE

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: me_torq792 Date: 31-03-2005, 18:09 Edited by: me_torq792 at: 31-03-2005, 18:10	My appologies Ricardo, I misread anita's earlier post. Thanks eoinh for the link.

Author: Agent327
Date: 04-04-2005, 14:53

After years of playing just to prepare for the competition (for most teams) the UIC changed their format in 1995.Not only to prepare for the coming season, but also a chance to win a spot in the UC.
In 1995 itself just two spots, but since 1996 three teams can join the UC via UIC.

From 1995/96 till 1998/99 only the first 2 proper rounds of the UC were divided in seeded and unseeded teams.
Seeded teams eliminated in the first round will be replaced by teams further down the list for second round seeding.
The first round proper had 64 teams (of which 16 teams were seeded)
The second round had 32 teams (of which 16 teams were seeded)

Teams which made the UC through winning the UIC

Year   team                         seeded   eliminated
                                   in Round     in ..
95-96  Girondins de Bordeaux (Fra)   1 & 2   Final by Bayern München (Ger)
       RC Strasbourg  (Fra)            -     Round 2 by AC Milan (Ita)
96-97  EA Guingamp (Fra)               -     Round 1 by Internazionale (Ita)
       Karlsruhe SC (Ger)              -     Round 2 by Brøndby IF (Den)
       Silkeborg IF (Den)              -     Round 1 by Spartak Moscow (Rus)
97-98  AJ Auxerre (Fra)              1 & 2   QF by Lazio Roma (Ita)
       Olympique Lyon (Fra)            -     Round 2 by Internazionale (Ita)
       SC Bastia  (Fra)                -     Round 2 by Steaua Bucuresti (Rom)
98-99  Bologna (Ita)                   -     SF by Olympique Marseille (Fra)
       Werder Bremen (Ger)           1 & 2   Round 2 by Olympique Marseille (Fra)
       Valencia (Esp)                  -     Round 2 by Liverpool (Eng)

Seeding format for the season 1999/2000 till 2003/2004 is different. In the first round they expand the number of teams from 64 to 96.
All teams will be equally divided in a seeded and unseeded (48 seeded and 48 unseeded teams)
(Un)seeding of teams will end after round 4, so no seeding in the QF.

Year   team                         seeded   eliminated
                                   in Round     in ..
99-00  Juventus (Ita)                1 - 4   Round 4 by Celta de Vigo (Esp)
       Montpellier (Fra)               1     Round 2 by Deportivo La Coruña (Esp)
       West Ham (Eng)                  1     Round 2 by Steaua Bucuresti (Rom)
00-01  Celta de Vigo (Esp)           1 - 4   QF by Barcelona (Esp)
       Udinese (Ita)                 1 & 2   Round 2 by PAOK Thessaloniki (Gre)
       VfB Stuttgart (Ger)           1 & 2   Round 4 by Celta de Vigo (Esp)
01-02  Aston Villa (Eng)               1     Round 1 by Varteks Varazdin (Cro)
       Troyes AC (Fra)                 1     Round 2 by Leeds United (Eng)
       Paris Saint Germain (Fra)     1 - 3   Round 3 by Glasgow Rangers (Sco)
02-03  Fulham (Eng)                    1     Round 3 by Hertha BSC (Ger)
       Málaga (Esp)                  1 & 2   QF by Boavista (Por)
       VfB Stuttgart (Ger)           1 - 4   Round 4 by Celtic (Sco)
03-04  Perugia (Ita)                 1 & 2   Round 3 by PSV Eindhoven (Ned)
       Schalke 04 (Ger)              1 & 2   Round 2 by Brøndby IF (Den)
       Villareal (Esp)               1 & 2   SF by Valencia (Esp)

In this season (2004/2005) they introduced a group stage.
The seeding of the group stage was divided in 5 pots.
All 3 UIC teams were seeded in the 2nd pot.
(according to seeding they should go through to the next round and they did)
After the GS there's no seeding according to coefficients.

Year   team                      seeded          eliminated
                                in Round            in ..
03-04  Lille (Fra)          1 (in GS as 2nd)     Round 4 by Auxerre (Fra)
       Schalke 04 (Ger)     1 (in GS as 2nd)     Round 3 by Shakhtar Donetsk (Ukr)
       Villareal (Esp)      1 (in GS as 2nd)     Reached QF

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: iauk Date: 04-04-2005, 21:49	Icelands entry will be IA Akranes www.freewebs.com/iauk

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: anita Date: 05-04-2005, 09:44 Edited by: anita at: 05-04-2005, 09:45	AFAIK, Norway will as usual have no participants. Norwegian wannabe-teams are too pre-occupied with preparing for post-season. Good grief! I am ashamed this year as well.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: Jan Date: 05-04-2005, 10:01 Edited by: Jan at: 05-04-2005, 10:02	Are there seeding countries (for the first round) or this is a "free" draw? Thanks! In Italy, Roma and Lazio are available for the competition.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: anita Date: 05-04-2005, 10:32	Jan, Lazio is not neccesarily available. You have to be among the 12 best (or 10 best, whatever amount of teams in premier league). And yes, the second-best countries have "walk-over" first round and best team from best countries even walk-over two first rounds. But still somewhat unpredictable, since the schedule is not yet fixed.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: Forza-AZ Date: 05-04-2005, 12:06	Not always teams have to be inside top 12 to play in Intertoto. In 2003 Villarreal and Racing Santander finishes 15th and 16th and did play in Intertoto. Villarreal even won it and reached semifinal of UEFA-cup.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: anita Date: 05-04-2005, 15:21	You may be right about that Forza, but a lot of Italian clubs will hopefully stand in line. Long before Lazio. 5-6-7 clubs have to turn down IT if Lazio will have their go.

Re: Intertoto Cup
Author: Ricardo Date: 05-04-2005, 15:50	Last year there was, I believe only 1 Italian club interested. They gave away their second spot, that already had been drawn I think ( at the cost of a CHF .... fine??)