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Author: Munja
Date: 29-01-2005, 12:21
| How will Scotland distribute it's 4 places in UEFA competitions? 1st and second from champ. in cl and cup and league cup winner in uc?
And how will Netherlands distribute it's places? I heard smthg about play off. |
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Author: anita
Date: 29-01-2005, 15:56
| It is only France and England that is allowed to send their League Cup winners to UEFA-cup. And just the winner (contrary to the regular cup). If the winner is eligible for CL(Q), the losing finalist will not take the UEFA-spot. This will go to next team in league. So if Chelsea beat Liverpool in League Cup final, Liverpool will not get a (free) UEFA-cup-spot. |
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Author: iwan
Date: 29-01-2005, 23:27
| And why not?!?!
Why isn't Scotland strong enough for 2 Cl and 4 UC-members?!?!
Holland,Belgium and Greece too!!!
It's good possible the highest 20 countries off the ranking all receives 4 UC-members. Maybe the members of the highest 8 will be directly placed and the rest must play each 2 qualification rounds. Thats better than
the system we have now!!! |
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Author: Lunaris
Date: 30-01-2005, 00:01
| please iwan, stop confusing things around
munja was just asking if scotland is allowed to send their league-cup winner to europe, actually it's not (i don't know why, that needs an explanation of course)
this question was not if scotland may send 4 teams to uc, they may well do so if they got high enough in the ranking, they can even have 3 or 4 teams in cl, if they are good enough for 5 following years |
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Author: iwan
Date: 30-01-2005, 13:44
| I'm sorry!!
I didn't understand where munja was writing about!!! |
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Author: Forza-AZ
Date: 30-01-2005, 15:35
| And how will Netherlands distribute it's places? I heard smthg about play off.
Play-off's are not held this season. They will be from next season on.
Then the numbers 2 till 5 after 34 matches will play off for 1 place in CL-qualifying and 2 in UEFA-cup. The numbers 6 till 9 play off for a final play off versus the loser of the play-off's between 2 till 5. They play for the final UEFA-cup spot.
The 4th UEFA-cup spot will be for the Cup-winner.
But as I said, it's not this year yet, but starts in the season 2005-06. |
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Author: iwan
Date: 30-01-2005, 16:00
| Yes, I'm affraid too when Holland will loose one ore 2 UC-places.
Then the Dutch Football Assosiation (Dutchmen sais KNVB) must
think about an other version of the play-offs.
The KNVB has said to have plans for it, but didn't say what
will be that plans.
Now the nr-8 of the UEFA-ranking has 4 directly places members
and the nr-9 two and one of them must play a QR.
Then I prefere 4 places in the UC for the nr-9, and than so
all of them must play 2 OR's. |
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Author: Agent327
Date: 31-01-2005, 09:27
| I think with just 4 spots it would be improper to send the League Cup winner into Europe
It would mean that only the top two spots in the regular competition (meaning the OF) can win a ticket into Europe
It's different if Scotland will take a place into the top 8.
Then they have 6 entries in Europe.
Furthermore a play-off in Holland is a bad idea
Why?
50% of the teams in the Eredivisie will have a chance to go to Europe.
Motivation to play Intertoto will be less due to long season.
Especially because it's a KO in two legs (home & away) it will benefit the big teams, making up for a poor season.
All you have to do is to be in great form at the end of the season, and ranked in the top 5 (fighting for a place in CL) or in top 9 (fighting for a place in UC)
It doesn't matter if you become 2nd or 5th in the competition, because your chance to get a CL-tickets is equal for everyone.
If you translate this to the current standing, it could be that AZ will loose their ticket to go to Europe, although they're 2nd in the competition
And what to do if the Cup winner is from the top 5? (Their place in UC is guaranteed)
Can they play for a CL-ticket?
And what happens if they win it, or if they don't?
Like Iwan said, this situation can/must change if Holland loose their top 8 spot in the country ranking. |
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Author: iwan
Date: 01-02-2005, 09:57
| I've hurd, when one of the highest Dutch teams wins the cup than the loosers of the semie-finals of the champions-play-offs and the winner of the play-offs between the nrs-6 to -9 all of the 3 will be placed for the UEFA-cup and there can play 4 play-offs less.
When one of the teams who'd ended between the 6th and 9th place wins the cup (what can be real, Urecht and Roda ended at one of that places the last 2 seasons and ware cupwinner too) than the nr-10 must play play-offs instead the cupwinner.
When Holland looses one UC-member, the nrs-1 to -4 play the same system like the nrs-2 to 5 do like planned and the nrs 5 to 8 the same system like the nrs-6 to -9. But when Holland looses two places, than it will be catastrofic for the national competition!!
Than it's better, the highest 20 members of the UEFA-ranking reiceved each 4 UC-places, it's possible the members of the best 8 will be placed directly for the UC, and the other members must play 2 qualificationrounds, better 4 members who must play each 2 QR's than 2 directly placed members!!!
De difference between the nr-8 and -9 in the ranking is to big and that must chance it's horrible to loose 2 places and there are alternatifs!!! |
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