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Author: kurt
Date: 01-09-2004, 23:47

in season 1999-2000 was the first year with 32 teams.

i was wondering how many new teams since 1999-2000 has entered the rich champions league.

1999-2000 : 32 first teams
2000-2001 : 14 new teams since 1999-2000
2001-2002 : 9 new teams since 1999-2000
2002-2003 : 9 new teams since 1999-2000
2003-2004 : 6 new teams since 1999-2000
2004-2005 : 3 new teams since 1999-2000

and i think for next season only 1 new team

this will also say that since 1999-2000 the total number of teams is 32+14+9+9+6+3 = 73 teams .

I think in 100 years the total teams will not get to 100 teams.

Author: Dinamo-Zagreb
Date: 02-09-2004, 01:16

I have statistics and since 1992/1993, when the first CL was introduced, 92 clubs played at least once. But it is hard to do it when every stronger club in Europe played in CL (well, except Wisla Krakow

). But who knows?

I rather like to see how many new clubs play each season who didn't play last season.

2000/2001 - 14
2001/2002 - 13
2002/2003 - 12
2003/2004 - 15
2004/2005 - 12

Looks much more interesting

If someone asks me, this 92 clubs is all football creme Europe has got last 12 years. All right, maybe Wisla Krakow, Crvena Zvezda (not sure whether 1991/1992 was first CL or it was 1992/1993), Austria Wien.

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Shanes Date: 02-09-2004, 04:02	What is the strongest team (according to the current UEFA team-ranking) that have never played in CL?

Author: porto-1978
Date: 02-09-2004, 04:04

List of new entries on CL:
92/93=8
Marseille
Rangers
Brugge
CSKA
Milan
IFK
Porto
PSV

93/94=6
Barcelona
Monaco
Spartak
Galatasaray
Werder Bremen
Anderlecht

94/95=10
Manchester
PSG
Bayern
Dinamo
Benfica
Hajduk
Steaua
Ajax
Casino
AEK

95/96=11
Panathinaikos
Nantes
AaB
Legia
Rosenborg
Blackburn
Juventus
Borussia
Real
Ferencvaros
Grasshoper

96/97=5
Auxerre
Atletico
Lodz
Fenerbahce
Rapid

97/98=10
Parma
Sparta
Feyenoord
Kosice
Newcastle
Olympiakos
Besiktas
Bayer
Sporting
Lierse

98/99=9
D. Zagreb
Athletic
Inter
Sturm
Brondby
Lens
Arsenal
Kaiserslautern
HJK

99/00=11
Lazio
Maribor
Fiorentina
AIK
Boavista
Molde
Valęncia
Girondis
Willem II
Chelsea
Hertha

00/01 =6
Shakhtyor
Heerenveen
Deportivo
Hamburg
Helsinborgs
Leeds

01/02 =8
Roma
Lokomotiv
Liverpool
Mallorca
Schalke
Celtic
Lyon
Lille

02/03 =3
Basel
Genk
Maccabi Haifa

03/04 =3
Real Sociedad
Partizan
Celta

04/05 = 1
Maccabi Tel-Aviv

Total =92

Big clubs missing i think the major are Wisla, Crvena Zvezda along with Zaragoza, Betis and Sochaux. But from those that never been in CL there are 27 ranked above Partizan, that took part in last edition. Those clubs are PAOK, Alavés, Villarreal, Rayo, Slovan, Betis, Wisla, Ipswich, Zaragoza, Espanyol, Hapoel Tel-Aviv, Fulham, Udinese, Perugia, City, Sochaux, Gençlerbirligi, Crvena Zvezda, Gaziantespor, Vitesse, Roda, Freiburg, TSV, Utrecht, Osijek, Servette and Aston Villa. Some of them are bigger but are few... Still a midium club may play CL if gets a place, so depends on the amount of CL places the country have and wich teams get those places. The problem for Wisla and Crvena had been that have to play unseeded in Q3, still some of these days they will get qualified.

It seems that from 3 years ago till now the amount of new blood is decreasing as is almost reaching 100 and there?s each time less big clubs that never had meet the competition. Still missing a bulgarian, an irish or a "baltic" representant. Until the moment:
Spain: 9 clubs
Germany: 9 clubs
France: 9 clubs
Italy: 7 clubs
England: 7 clubs
Holland: 5 clubs
Portugal: 4 clubs
Belgium: 4 clubs
Greece: 3 clubs
Czech: 3 clubs
Turkey: 3 clubs
Russia: 3 clubs
Sweeden: 3 clubs
Scotland: 2 clubs
Ukraine: 2 clubs
Denmark: 2 clubs
Norway: 2 clubs
Poland: 2 clubs
Croatia: 2 clubs
Switzerland: 2 clubs
Israel: 2 clubs
Austria: 2 clubs
Yugoslavia: 1 club
Romania: 1 club
Slovakia: 1 club
Slovenia: 1 club
Finland: 1 club

Author: Ricardo
Date: 02-09-2004, 13:41

This year is kind of extreme, the Top 16 of the Ranking are participating in the CL. But is also show the tendency of the last year: In every country there are a few clubs that always end up at/in the top and this way participate in the CL.
However I think there will be coming new clubs in the CL for some time. In England/Spain you have 3 mayor teams and the 4th place will be for some sub-team. That can be different every year. In countries just below rank 15, which have only 1 participant, there will be additions until their top teams all played at least once in the CL!

In Holland I don't expect a new team to enter in the near future. In the first place because we won't have more than 2 teams for the next couple fo years at least. Second because I think that the top 2 will always conists out of our top-3(PSV, Ajax, Feyenoord).

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: anita Date: 02-09-2004, 15:08	Looking at portos list (thx, porto), I don't think the "country distribution" is that bad. 92 teams from 17 countries. OK, in the early years it was easier to get access to CL group stage, but it seem that almost every year some mediocre team from mediocre country manage to qualify for CL.

Author: Dinamo-Zagreb
Date: 02-09-2004, 17:32

We have to exclude many Spanish clubs because they have nasty tendency to make very far one year and the second drop into Secunda Division. Example is Alaves, Rayo Vallecano and also will be Villareal. Betis is not as strong as it was, Celta has dropped into 2. league. And besides Valencia, Real, Deportivo and Barcelona only Celta was constantly in Europe. Mallorca, Rayo, Betis, Alaves, Malaga and Real Sociedad are 'teams for one season'.

I come from country where club football is in constant crisis (Croatia) and we won't have club in CL as long as mafia is in our two greatest clubs, Dinamo and Hajduk. But I also see that CL is great opportunity for every smaller culb and it is fairest to me. Maybe does not look fair but I think that is the meaning of what CL is supposed to be. Great competition with lots of big names.

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: SHEV Date: 02-09-2004, 21:38	Zagreb, we have mafia in Dynamo Kyiv and Shakhtar too - and it's great - easy money for clubs

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: JPV Date: 02-09-2004, 22:11	but for how long

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 02-09-2004, 23:55	Is there al list with the number of participations to the CL from each Club?

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: zmse Date: 03-09-2004, 00:30	Author: porto-1978 Date: 02-09-2004, 04:04 95/96=11 Panathinaikos Nantes AaB Legia Rosenborg Blackburn Juventus Borussia Real Ferencvaros Grasshoper . . . Austria: 2 clubs Yugoslavia: 1 club Romania: 1 club Slovakia: 1 club Slovenia: 1 club Finland: 1 club Ferencváros is from Hungary. -> One more country

Author: krdeluxe
Date: 03-09-2004, 09:47

@Porto

A few errors in your list:
Czech Rep. only had Sparta Praha in Champions League, so 1 instead of 3.
I know Olympique Lyonnais was in the same group as Heerenveen in CL, so I gues the first time played in CL was in 2000/2001.

Total of 91 clubs from 28 countries, I think that’s not a bad score, I hope teams from Bosnia-Herz., Ireland Republic, Latvia, Macedonia, Bulgaria and Cyprus will qualify in next few years. Maybe some new teams from Czech Republic too.

Author: porto-1978
Date: 03-09-2004, 19:59

Shannes, according to ranking is Alaves.
Some mistakes, yes.
1.As zmse said, i forgot to count 1 club for Hungary. 2. And as said by krdeluxe Czech republic had only one club.
3. And Lyon had their first time in 00/01, so 7 new clubs in 00/01 and the same number in 01/02
Spacey, i?ll try to do it...

Appearences by country and club

Spain:
Barcelona=10
Real=9
Deportivo=5
Valencia=4
Mallorca=1
Atletico=1
Athletic=1
Celta=1
Real Sociedad=1
9 clubs, 33 appearences

Italy:
Milan=9
Juventus=9
Inter=4
Lazio=4
Roma=3
Parma=1
Fiorentina=1
7 clubs, 31 appearences

Germany:
Bayern=9
Bayer=6
Borussia=6
Werder Bremen=2
Stuttgart=1
Schalke=1
Hertha=1
Kaiserslautern=1
Hamburg=1
9 clubs, 28 appearences

England:
Manchester=10
Arsenal=7
Liverpool=3
Chelsea=3
Newcastle=2
Leeds=2
Blackburn=1
7 clubs, 28 appearences

France:
Monaco=5
Lyon=5
PSG=4
Marseille=3
Nantes=2
Auxerre=2
Lens=2
Girondis=1
Lille=1
9 clubs, 25 appearences

Netherlands:
PSV=9
Ajax=7
Feyenoord=4
Heerenveen=1
WillemII=1
5 clubs, 22 appearences

Greece:
Olympiakos=8
Panathinaikos=6
AEK=3
3 clubs, 17 appearences

Portugal:
Porto=10
Boavista=2
Benfica=2
Sporting=2
4 clubs, 16 appearences

Turkey:
Galatasaray=9
Besiktas=3
Fenerbahce=3
3 clubs, 15 appearences

Russia:
Spartak=8
Lokomotiv=3
CSKA=2
3 clubs, 13 appearences

Belgium:
Anderlecht=6
Brugge=3
Genk=1
Lierse=1
4 clubs, 11 appearences

Ukraine:
Dinamo=9
Shakhtyor=2
2 clubs, 11 appearences

Norway:
Rosenborg=9
Molde=1
2 clubs, 10 appearences

Scotland
Rangers=6
Celtic=3
2 clubs, 9 appearences

Sweden:
IFK=4
Helsinborgs=1
AIK=1
3 clubs, 6 appearences

Czech:
Sparta=6
1 club, 6 appearences

Switzerland:
Grasshopper=2
Basel=1
2 clubs, 3 appearences

Austria:
Sturm=2
Casino=1
2 clubs, 3 appearences

Croatia:
Dinamo=2
Hajduk=1
2 clubs, 3 appearences

Romania:
Steaua=3
1 club, 3 appearences

Israel:
Maccabi Tel-Aviv=1
Maccabi Haifa=1
2 clubs and 2 appearences

Denmark:
Brondby=1
AaB=1
2 clubs, 2 appearences

Poland:
Legia=1
Lodz=1
2 clubs, 2 appearences

Yugoslavia:
Partizan=1
1 club and appearence

Hungary:
Ferencvaros=1
1 club and appearence

Slovakia:
Kosice=1
1 club and appearence

Slovenia:
Maribor=1
1 club and appearence

Finland:
HJK=1
1 club and appearence

Total:
91 clubs, 304 appearences

2 years with 8 teams=16 places
3 years with 16 teams=48 places
2 years with 24 teams=48 places
6 years with 32 teams=192 places
=304 places!

It?s seems ok but i?m not completly sure. Please let me know if i?ve missed something.

Author: porto-1978
Date: 03-09-2004, 20:31

Number of appearances in CL:

10(3 clubs: Barcelona, Manchester, Porto)
9 (8 clubs: Real, Milan, Juventus, Bayern, PSV, Galatasaray, Dinamo Kiev, Rosenborg)
8 (2 clubs: Olympiakos, Spartak)
7 (2 clubs: Arsenal, Ajax)
6 (6 clubs: Bayer, Borussia, Panathinaikos, Anderlecht, Rangers, Sparta)
5 (3 clubs: Deportivo, Monaco, Lyon)
4 (6 clubs: Valencia, Inter, Lazio, PSG, Feyenoord, IFK
3: (11 clubs: Roma, Liverpool, Chelsea, Marseille, AEK, Besiktas, Fenerbahce, Lokomotiv, Brugge, Celtic, Steaua
2: (14 clubs: Werder Bremen, Newcastle, Leeds, Nantes, Auxerre, Lens, Boavista, Benfica, Sporting Portugal, CSKA Moscva, Shakhtyor, Grasshopper, Sturm, Dinamo Zagreb
1: (34 clubs)

Author: Mauve4ever
Date: 03-09-2004, 20:50

I'm really sorry but all your stats are wrong !
The first CL was in 91/92 and it was with group A : Sampdoria, Anderlecht, Red Star Belgrade, Panathinaikos and with group B : Barcelona, Kiev, Benfica, Sparta Prague.
The final was FC Barcelona-Sampdoria !
How can you forget the magic goal from Koeman ?
I remember it because i'm an Anderlecht fan and the last preliminary round against PSV was magic with 0-0 and a 2-0 victory at brussels !
RSC Anderlecht participated at the first CL !

Author: porto-1978
Date: 03-09-2004, 20:56

Out of 13 editions as i?m taking this season in account.

Oh i realise now one mistake: Barcelona have only 9 appearances (in first edition tey?ve failed qualification against CSKA Moskva).
So it means that there?s something more wrong elsewhere... I can?t find what is. I guess there is a club with one more appearance than those i?ve counted... [I?ll wait for someone to correct me instead of reviewing all the data>
So ManU and Porto are the only clubs with 10 appearances in CL. Both clubs missed one edition by losing in preliminary round. So only twice they were not qualified at least for preliminary rounds.

Author: porto-1978
Date: 03-09-2004, 21:12

Oh! What a mistake! Thanks mauve4ever! Terrible sorry...
This is more correct:

Spain:
Barcelona=10
Real=9
Deportivo=5
Valencia=4
Mallorca=1
Atletico=1
Athletic=1
Celta=1
Real Sociedad=1
9 clubs, 33 appearences

Italy:
Milan=9
Juventus=9
Inter=4
Lazio=4
Roma=3
Parma=1
Fiorentina=1
Sampdoria=1
8 clubs, 32 appearences

Germany:
Bayern=9
Bayer=6
Borussia=6
Werder Bremen=2
Stuttgart=1
Schalke=1
Hertha=1
Kaiserslautern=1
Hamburg=1
9 clubs, 28 appearences

England:
Manchester=10
Arsenal=7
Liverpool=3
Chelsea=3
Newcastle=2
Leeds=2
Blackburn=1
7 clubs, 28 appearences

France:
Monaco=5
Lyon=5
PSG=4
Marseille=3
Nantes=2
Auxerre=2
Lens=2
Girondis=1
Lille=1
9 clubs, 25 appearences

Netherlands:
PSV=9
Ajax=7
Feyenoord=4
Heerenveen=1
WillemII=1
5 clubs, 22 appearences

Greece:
Olympiakos=8
Panathinaikos=7
AEK=3
3 clubs, 18 appearences

Portugal:
Porto=10
Benfica=3
Boavista=2
Sporting=2
4 clubs, 17 appearences

Turkey:
Galatasaray=9
Besiktas=3
Fenerbahce=3
3 clubs, 15 appearences

Russia:
Spartak=8
Lokomotiv=3
CSKA=2
3 clubs, 13 appearences

Belgium:
Anderlecht=7
Brugge=3
Genk=1
Lierse=1
4 clubs, 12 appearences

Ukraine:
Dinamo=10
Shakhtyor=2
2 clubs, 12 appearences

Norway:
Rosenborg=9
Molde=1
2 clubs, 10 appearences

Scotland
Rangers=6
Celtic=3
2 clubs, 9 appearences

Sweden:
IFK=4
Helsinborgs=1
AIK=1
3 clubs, 6 appearences

Czech:
Sparta=6
1 club, 6 appearences

Switzerland:
Grasshopper=2
Basel=1
2 clubs, 3 appearences

Austria:
Sturm=2
Casino=1
2 clubs, 3 appearences

Croatia:
Dinamo=2
Hajduk=1
2 clubs, 3 appearences

Romania:
Steaua=3
1 club, 3 appearences

Israel:
Maccabi Tel-Aviv=1
Maccabi Haifa=1
2 clubs, 2 appearences

Denmark:
Brondby=1
AaB=1
2 clubs, 2 appearences

Poland:
Legia=1
Lodz=1
2 clubs, 2 appearences

Yugoslavia:
Partizan=1
Crvena Zvezda=1
2 club, 2 appearences

Hungary:
Ferencvaros=1
1 club and appearence

Slovakia:
Kosice=1
1 club and appearence

Slovenia:
Maribor=1
1 club and appearence

Finland:
HJK=1
1 club and appearence

Total:
93 clubs, 312 appearences (?if i don?t miss something else)

3 years with 8 teams=24 places
3 years with 16 teams=48 places
2 years with 24 teams=48 places
6 years with 32 teams=192 places
=312 places

Number of appearences in CL:
10:Barcelona, Manchester, Porto, Dinamo Kiev
9: Real, Milan, Juventus, Bayern, PSV, Galatasaray, Rosenborg
8: Olympiakos, Spartak
7: Arsenal, Ajax, Panathinaikos, Anderlecht, Sparta
6: Bayer, Borussia, Rangers
5: Deportivo, Monaco, Lyon
4: Valencia, Inter, Lazio, PSG, Feyenoord, IFK
3: Roma, Liverpool, Chelsea, Marseille, AEK, Benfica Besiktas, Fenerbahce, Lokomotiv, Brugge, Celtic, Steaua, Benfica
2: Werder Bremen, Newcastle, Leeds, Nantes, Auxerre, Lens, Boavista, Sporting Portugal, CSKA Moscva, Shakhtyor, Grasshopper, Sturm, Dinamo Zagreb
1: 36 clubs including Sampdoria and Crvena Zvezda...

I thought Marseille was the first champion and that Partizan last year was the first serbian club to get in CL...

Author: porto-1978
Date: 03-09-2004, 21:24

91/92=8
Sampdoria
Crvena Zvezda
Anderlecht
Panathinaikos
Barcelona
Sparta
Benfica
Dinamo Kiev

92/93=8
Marseille
Rangers
Brugge
CSKA
Milan
IFK
Porto
PSV

93/94=4
Monaco
Spartak
Galatasaray
Werder Bremen

94/95=8
Manchester
PSG
Bayern
Hajduk
Steaua
Ajax
Casino
AEK

95/96=10
Nantes
AaB
Legia
Rosenborg
Blackburn
Juventus
Borussia
Real
Ferencvaros
Grasshoper

96/97=5
Auxerre
Atletico
Lodz
Fenerbahce
Rapid

97/98=9
Parma
Feyenoord
Kosice
Newcastle
Olympiakos
Besiktas
Bayer
Sporting
Lierse

98/99=9
D. Zagreb
Athletic
Inter
Sturm
Brondby
Lens
Arsenal
Kaiserslautern
HJK

99/00=11
Lazio
Maribor
Fiorentina
AIK
Boavista
Molde
Valęncia
Girondis
Willem II
Chelsea
Hertha

00/01=7
Lyon
Shakhtyor
Heerenveen
Deportivo
Hamburg
Helsinborgs
Leeds

01/02=7
Roma
Lokomotiv
Liverpool
Mallorca
Schalke
Celtic
Lille

02/03=3
Basel
Genk
Maccabi Haifa

03/04=3
Real Sociedad
Partizan
Celta

04/05=1
Maccabi Tel-Aviv

Total=93

Spain: 9 clubs
Germany: 9 clubs
France: 9 clubs
Italy: 8 clubs
England: 7 clubs
Holland: 5 clubs
Portugal: 4 clubs
Belgium: 4 clubs
Greece: 3 clubs
Czech: 3 clubs
Turkey: 3 clubs
Russia: 3 clubs
Sweeden: 3 clubs
Scotland: 2 clubs
Ukraine: 2 clubs
Denmark: 2 clubs
Norway: 2 clubs
Poland: 2 clubs
Croatia: 2 clubs
Switzerland: 2 clubs
Israel: 2 clubs
Austria: 2 clubs
Yugoslavia: 2 clubs
Romania: 1 club
Slovakia: 1 club
Slovenia: 1 club
Finland: 1 club
Hungary: 1 club

Sorry by the waste of time and e-paper...

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 04-09-2004, 00:30	@porto-1978: 've seen 1 mistake Sparta OPraha plyed 7 times in the CL In 91/92, 97/98, 99/00, 00/01, 01/02, 03/04 and 04/05 the've played CL. In 91/92 They've played under the country Czechoslovakia, not under czech Republic

Author: Spacey
Date: 04-09-2004, 00:36

I made a list of the teams ho qualified 3 times or more IN A ROW for the CL. + the yother years when they played CL

Spain:
Barcelona 91 93 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 04
Real 95 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Deportivo 00 01 02 03 04

Italy:
Milan 92 93 94 96 99 00 02 03 04
Juventus 95 96 97 98 00 01 02 03 04
Inter 98 02 03 04
Lazio 99 00 01 03

Germany:
Bayern 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Bayer 97 99 00 01 02 04
Borussia 95 96 97 99 01 02

England:
Manchester 94 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Arsenal 98 99 00 01 02 03 04

France:
Lyon 00 01 02 03 04

Netherlands:
PSV 92 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Ajax 94 95 96 98 02 03 04

Greece:
Olympiakos 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04

Portugal:
Porto 92 93 95 96 97 98 99 01 03 04

Turkey:
Galatasaray 93 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03

Russia:
Spartak 93 94 95 98 99 00 01 02
Lokomotiv 01 02 03

Ukraine:
Dinamo 91 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04

Norway:
Rosenborg 95 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 04

Czech:
Sparta 91 97 99 00 01 03 04

Romania:
Steaua 94 95 96

Author: Indalo_FCB
Date: 04-09-2004, 08:09

@Mauve4ever:

The first Champions League was not in the season 1991/92 but in the year after that.
If you look at this link you can see that the first Champions League was in 1992/93.
In 1991/92, the European Champion Clubs’ Cup was already played with a group phase, but it was not officially called "Champions League".

I can remember this well, because our striker Daniel Amokachi (Club Brugge) was the first scorer in an official Champions League game against CSKA Moscow.

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Mauve4ever Date: 04-09-2004, 11:13	@Indalo_FCB : No, I'm sorry but the first CL was in 91/92 ! See also this link : http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method1/match1992.html Club Brugge didn't play the first CL, they are always after RSC Anderlecht. You play the second CL. And which european cup do you play this year ? :-)

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Mauve4ever Date: 04-09-2004, 11:17	Season 91/92

Author: Indalo_FCB
Date: 04-09-2004, 12:48

Competition change
The major turning point in the evolution of the competition came in the 1992/93 season when the UEFA Champions League, involving a group phase in addition to the traditional knock-out elements, was officially inaugurated after a pilot group stage during the previous season. The popularity of the group phase has witnessed the competition grow from eight to 32 teams with matches taking place on Tuesdays and Wednesdays across Europe.

Link

So, in the pilot group stage, it was not called Champions League yet.
And always after Anderlecht? We will see about that this year!
And I mean it if I wish you success in the CL, but take care that you do not trip over Werder Bremen again!
I do not want to start a FCB-RSCA discussion over here. There are other places for that :-)

Author: anita
Date: 04-09-2004, 12:59

Spacey, since you're in there with the statistics, it would be interesting to see a list over the teams that have been in CL most times without being automatically qualified, i.e having to go through CLQ first. No, I don't know if it's Rosenborg (or maybe D Kiev)

, but some teams (like in Greece) have often had an easier way into CL than others.

And when we're into it, what team(s) have most participations in CL without being seeded in CLQ?

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Lunaris Date: 04-09-2004, 19:12	a correction for the austrian teams, sturm played 3 times in the league and we had 3 teams already playing in: sturm, rapid & austria salzburg

Author: Spacey
Date: 05-09-2004, 00:33

Here a list of all the Clubs who have participated in the CL and the year they did this.
The teams are sorted by country, next to the name of the country stands the numbe of teams and the total of particiaptions

Club #CL Year of participation

Spain: 9/33
FC Barcelona 10 91 93 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 04
Real Madrid 9 95 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Deportivo La Coruna 5 00 01 02 03 04
Valencia 4 99 00 02 04
Real Mallorca 1 01
Atletico Madrid 1 96
Athletic Bilbao 1 98
Celta De Vigo 1 03
Real Sociedad 1 03

Italy: 8/32
AC Milan 9 92 93 94 96 99 00 02 03 04
Juventus 9 95 96 97 98 00 01 02 03 04
Inter Milan 4 98 02 03 04
Lazio Roma 4 99 00 01 03
AS Roma 3 01 02 04
Parma 1 97
Fiorentina 1 99
Sampdoria Genua 1 91

Germany: 9/28
Bayern Munchen 9 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Bayer Leverkusen 6 97 99 00 01 02 04
Borussia Dortmund 6 95 96 97 99 01 02
Werder Bremen 2 93 04
Stuttgart 1 03
Schalke 04 1 01
Hertha Berlin 1 99
Kaiserslautern 1 98
Hamburg 1 00

England: 7/27
Manchester United 10 94 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Arsenal 7 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Liverpool 3 01 02 04
Chelsea 3 99 03 04
Newcastle 2 97 02
Leeds 1 00
Blackburn 1 95

France: 9/25
Monaco 5 93 97 00 03 04
Lyon 5 00 01 02 03 04
PSG 4 94 97 00 04
Marseille 3 92 99 03
Nantes 2 95 01
Auxerre 2 96 02
Lens 2 98 02
Girondis Bordeaux 1 99
Lille 1 01

Netherlands: 5/22
PSV 9 92 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Ajax 7 94 95 96 98 02 03 04
Feyenoord 4 97 99 01 02
Heerenveen 1 00
Willem II 1 99

Greece: 3/18
Olympiakos Piraeus 8 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Panathinaikos Athens 7 91 95 98 00 01 03 04
AEK Athens 3 94 02 03

Portugal: 4/17
Porto 10 92 93 95 96 97 98 99 01 03 04
Benfica Lisbon 3 91 94 98
Boavista 2 99 01
Sporting Lisbon 2 97 00

Turkey: 3/15
Galatasaray 9 93 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03
Besiktas 3 97 00 03
Fenerbahce 3 96 01 04

Russia: 3/13
Spartak Moscow 8 93 94 95 98 99 00 01 02
Lokomotiv Moscow 3 01 02 03
CSKA Moscow 2 72 04

Belgium: 4/12
Anderlecht 7 91 93 94 00 01 03 04
Brugge 3 92 02 03
Genk 1 02
Lierse 1 97

Ukraine: 2/12
Dinamo Kiev 10 91 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Shakhtyor Donetsk 2 00 04

Norway: 2/10
Rosenborg 9 95 96 97 98 99 00 01 02 04
Molde 1 99

Scotland 2/9
Rangers 6 92 95 96 99 00 03
Celtic 3 01 03 04

Czech: 1/7
Sparta Praha 7 91 97 99 00 01 03 04

Sweden: 3/6
IFK Goteborg 4 92 94 96 97
Helsinborgs 1 00
AIK Stockholm 1 99

Austria: 3/5
Sturm Graz 3 98 99 00
Salzburg 1 94
Rapid Wien 1 96

Switzerland: 2/3
Grasshopper Zurich 2 95 96
Basel 1 02

Croatia: 2/3
Dinamo Zagreb 2 98 99
Hajduk Split 1 94

Romania: 1/3
Steaua Bucarest 3 94 95 96

Israel: 2/2
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 04
Maccabi Haifa 1 02

Denmark: 2/2
Brondby 1 98
Aalborg 1 95

Poland: 2/2
Legia Warsaw 1 95
Lodz 1 96

Yugoslavia: 2/2
Partizan Belgrado 1 03
Red Star Belgrado 1 91

Hungary: 1/1
Ferencvaros 1 95

Slovakia: 1/1
Kosice 1 97

Slovenia: 1/1
Maribor 1 99

Finland: 1/1
HJK Helsinki 1 98

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 05-09-2004, 00:35	I've also calculatd the year 91/92. Should I leave this or should I delete this year? because there wasn't actually a CL but it was called a groups stage in the Champions cup

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 05-09-2004, 00:41	@ Anita: About the queastion of clubs who have going in to the CL via the CLQ. From woch year do I have to count this. Untill 93/94 every team had to go through the first rounds before going in to the CL

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: anita Date: 05-09-2004, 01:58	Spacey, I don't know who was seeded or unseeded many years ago. Don't know where to find it.But if you can put up a surveyable list, it would be fun. Round up "The usual suspects". One of my favorite films.

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: SHEV Date: 05-09-2004, 14:43	Cool. Dynamo, Barcelona, Porto and ManU are leaders in times of participations. 10 times each.

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 05-09-2004, 21:32	@ Anita: I also don't know wich club was seeded and wich club didn't. I only asked from wich year that I have to make a statistic abou the clubs going into the CL because untill the year 93/94 every team had to go through the first rounds before going in to the CL

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: anita Date: 06-09-2004, 18:39	Then it would be interesting to see a list from 93/94 up till now. No sweat, spacey, I was just curious.

Author: Spacey
Date: 06-09-2004, 22:26

Here's the list of the teams who qualified for the CL via the CLQ.
This is a list starting from the year 94/95. This was the first year where certain teams where directly qualified forr the CL group stage

Dinamo Kiev 8 94 97 99 00 01 02 03 04
Rosenborg 8 95 96 97 98 00 01 02 04
Galatasaray 7 94 97 98 99 00 01 03
Rangers 5 95 96 99 00 03
Panathinaikos Athens 4 95 98 00 01
Anderlecht 4 00 01 03 04
Sparta Praha 4 97 00 03 04
FC Barcelona 3 97 01 02
Inter Milan 3 98 02 04
Bayer Leverkusen 3 97 02 04
Manchester United 3 98 02 04
PSV 3 98 99 04
AEK Athens 3 94 02 03
Lokomotiv Moscow 3 01 02 03
IFK Goteborg 3 94 96 97
Sturm Graz 3 98 99 00
Steaua Bucarest 3 94 95 96
Deportivo La Coruna 2 03 04
Valencia 2 99 00
Real Mallorca 2 01 98
AC Milan 2 00 02
Lazio Roma 2 01 03
Bayern Munchen 2 98 02
Borussia Dortmund 2 99 01
Liverpool 2 01 04
Chelsea 2 99 03
Newcastle 2 97 02
PSG 2 94 97
Feyenoord 2 97 02
Olympiakos Piraeus 2 97 98
Besiktas 2 97 00
Fenerbahce 2 96 01
Spartak Moscow 2 98 99
Brugge 2 02 03
Shakhtyor Donetsk 2 00 04
Celtic 2 01 03
Grasshopper Zurich 2 95 96
Dinamo Zagreb 2 98 99
Real Madrid 1 04
Athletic Bilbao 1 98
Celta De Vigo 1 03
Juventus 1 04
Parma 1 97
Fiorentina 1 99
Hertha Berlin 1 99
Hamburg 1 00
Leeds 1 00
Monaco 1 04
Lyon 1 00
Marseille 1 03
Auxerre 1 02
Lille 1 01
Ajax 1 03
Porto 1 01
Benfica Lisbon 1 98
Boavista 1 99
Sporting Lisbon 1 97
CSKA Moscow 1 04
Genk 1 02
Lierse 1 97
Molde 1 99
Helsinborgs 1 00
AIK Stockholm 1 99
Salzburg 1 94
Rapid Wien 1 96
Basel 1 02
Hajduk Split 1 94
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 04
Maccabi Haifa 1 03
Brondby 1 98
Aalborg 1 95
Legia Warsaw 1 95
Lodz 1 96
Partizan Belgrado 1 03
Ferencvaros 1 95
Kosice 1 97
Maribor 1 99
HJK Helsinki 1 98
Atletico Madrid 0
Real Sociedad 0
AS Roma 0
Sampdoria Genua 0
Werder Bremen 0
Stuttgart 0
Schalke 04 0
Kaiserslautern 0
Arsenal 0
Blackburn 0
Nantes 0
Lens 0
Girondis Bordeaux 0
Heerenveen 0
Willem II 0
Red Star Belgrado 0

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: anita Date: 07-09-2004, 13:53	thx, spacey, appreciate it.

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 07-09-2004, 16:07	Normally Sampdoria Genua & Red Star Belgrado don't belong in that list because they only played CL before 94/95. And this list only excist from teams who qualified for the CL from the year 94/95

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: SHEV Date: 07-09-2004, 16:33	And what about Dynamo 96 and 98?

Author: Spacey
Date: 07-09-2004, 18:44

I'm sorry,
Here's a new list.
In 96 Dynamo didn't qualiofy for the CL. They where beaten by Rapid Wien in the qualfying round.
And for some reason was there standing in my last list that Real Mallorca had gone to the CL via the CLQ but it was Dynamo Kiev.
So that means that Dynamo is the only team who has gone to the CL 9 times via the CLQ.
So (sorry Anita) Rosenborg now becomes 2nd with 8 times

Dinamo Kiev 9 94 97 98 99 00 01 02 03 04
Rosenborg 8 95 96 97 98 00 01 02 04
Galatasaray 7 94 97 98 99 00 01 03
Rangers 5 95 96 99 00 03
Panathinaikos Athens 4 95 98 00 01
Anderlecht 4 00 01 03 04
Sparta Praha 4 97 00 03 04
FC Barcelona 3 97 01 02
Inter Milan 3 98 02 04
Bayer Leverkusen 3 97 02 04
Manchester United 3 98 02 04
PSV 3 98 99 04
AEK Athens 3 94 02 03
Lokomotiv Moscow 3 01 02 03
IFK Goteborg 3 94 96 97
Sturm Graz 3 98 99 00
Steaua Bucarest 3 94 95 96
Deportivo La Coruna 2 03 04
Valencia 2 99 00
Real Mallorca 2 01 98
AC Milan 2 00 02
Lazio Roma 2 01 03
Bayern Munchen 2 98 02
Borussia Dortmund 2 99 01
Liverpool 2 01 04
Chelsea 2 99 03
Newcastle 2 97 02
PSG 2 94 97
Feyenoord 2 97 02
Olympiakos Piraeus 2 97 98
Besiktas 2 97 00
Fenerbahce 2 96 01
Spartak Moscow 2 98 99
Brugge 2 02 03
Shakhtyor Donetsk 2 00 04
Celtic 2 01 03
Grasshopper Zurich 2 95 96
Dinamo Zagreb 2 98 99
Real Madrid 1 04
Athletic Bilbao 1 98
Celta De Vigo 1 03
Juventus 1 04
Parma 1 97
Fiorentina 1 99
Hertha Berlin 1 99
Hamburg 1 00
Leeds 1 00
Monaco 1 04
Lyon 1 00
Marseille 1 03
Auxerre 1 02
Lille 1 01
Ajax 1 03
Porto 1 01
Benfica Lisbon 1 98
Boavista 1 99
Sporting Lisbon 1 97
CSKA Moscow 1 04
Genk 1 02
Lierse 1 97
Molde 1 99
Helsinborgs 1 00
AIK Stockholm 1 99
Salzburg 1 94
Rapid Wien 1 96
Basel 1 02
Hajduk Split 1 94
Maccabi Tel-Aviv 1 04
Maccabi Haifa 1 03
Brondby 1 98
Aalborg 1 95
Legia Warsaw 1 95
Lodz 1 96
Partizan Belgrado 1 03
Ferencvaros 1 95
Kosice 1 97
Maribor 1 99
HJK Helsinki 1 98
Atletico Madrid 0
Real Sociedad 0
AS Roma 0
Werder Bremen 0
Stuttgart 0
Schalke 04 0
Kaiserslautern 0
Arsenal 0
Blackburn 0
Nantes 0
Lens 0
Girondis Bordeaux 0
Heerenveen 0
Willem II 0

Re: champions league, new blood ?
Author: Spacey Date: 07-09-2004, 18:47	I didn't change Real Mallorca in the last list So Real Mallorca did only qualify 1 time via CLQ in the year 2001