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Author: ianmorrison
Date: 31-07-2004, 18:42

I see alot of people believe that CSKA Moscow is a tough draw for Glasgow Rangers. I don't know much about them but surely its a good draw considering ttey are 181st in team ranking. I can't remember them having any notable victories in europe for a long time.

I remeber Rangers playing Russian opposition a few years ago and winning very comfortably. The russian league has weakened alot over the last decade or so. It used to be a bad draw getting a russian team but not so much now. The only bad thing i see is that they are half way through season, so will be up to speed.

Author: maymunata
Date: 31-07-2004, 19:07

CSKA Moscow has a very young squad: most of the players are 24-26, and there are many born after 1980. There are in great form at the moment, considering the problems they had in the early days of the Premierleague. The most skillfull players are the goalkeeper Akinfeev, Ignashevic (injured at the moment, he will certainly not play against Rangers), Semak, Gusev, Jaroshik, Aldonin, Jirkov, Kirichenko and Olic (in realy great mood at this time - scores in every game, croatian national player). Theyintroduced Milos Krasic from Vojvodina NS, but theybought in the summer the promissing atackers Dadu (23) from Alania and Wagner (20) from Palmejras. But it's obvious that their team is weaker than Rangers. Anyway, interesting two games in prospect I think.

And if Rangers had played against Alania in Vladikavkaz, not on neutral soil, i think the scottish men would have progressed much harder.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: viulo Date: 31-07-2004, 19:17	As a portuguese, not knowing a lot about russian football (but finding it hard to believe the league has weekened in the past years, since a lot of russian internationalists playing abroad have returned), I's say CSKA has to be a lot stronger since firing portuguese coach Artur Jorge...

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: maymunata Date: 31-07-2004, 19:22	Yeah, that made the difference - the new (old) coach Valeriy Gazaev. But I see now that they lost against Sokol (the strongest team after Terek in First division) with 0:2 for the national cup. Probably they let the youngsters.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: mzok Date: 31-07-2004, 19:28	The Russian league is improving surely. Look at all the foreign internationals moving to Russia, as well as Alenichev, Sychev etc returning. Rangers recent record v Russian clubs: played 7, won 6, draw 1. So a tight game with Rangers slight favourites.

Author: mark
Date: 31-07-2004, 19:47

I can't understand CSKA. They are the champions, they are now in the fifth place with a really small magin from the first, they are one of the richest clubs in europe (as it was reported in this forum) but yet they failed misrably against a macedonian team last year, and they didn't succeed to score even one goal against an azerbaijanian team now. How can they hope to pass Rangers? Maybe they are not really interested to participate at the CL?

If they will not a have a big victory against nefti this week, I will bet that Rangers have a 90% chance of winning this tie.

Author: anita
Date: 01-08-2004, 13:49

ian morrison write about CSKA: "I can't remember them having any notable victories in europe for a long time".

No bias from me, Rangers is a more merited team in EC than CSKA, but the later three years Rangers hasn't exactly fulfilled their ambitions in Europe either. But they have of course the favorite brand against CSKA/Nefchi Baku(?). And I (we) find it interesting to wonder when all the money (from what I've heard) that is pumped into Russian teams, will be reflected in their performances in EC.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: Nefi Date: 02-08-2004, 17:20	Intntl. multi translation and backtranslation is sometimes interesting. Jarosik-Yaroshik-Jaroshik. I cannot imagine what would happen to my surname if translated for example from czech to german to russian to english to czech

Author: ianmorrison
Date: 02-08-2004, 23:32

Anita, your right, Rangers haven't done much in last 3 years but other than losing to Czech team 2 years ago, they haven't lost to any minnows in Europe. Its no disgrace losing in their group last year. Rangers are quite the opposite to CSKA as they have no money at the moment. I look forward to the tie but i think Rangers should edge it.

I wasn't referring to the alania vladikavkaz game in earlier post. Can't remember the other russian team but it was a comprehensive victory.

Author: Zibir
Date: 03-08-2004, 05:36

Rangers FC had good game against Russian clubs and I think that PFC CSKA Moskva will not be problem again.

2 maymunata
Rangers 3 years ago played vs FC Anzhi Makhachkal on neutral soil in uefa Cup. And won only with ricochet help on last minute.

In the match vs FC Sokol Saratov of 1/16 of final of The Russian Cup CSKA played by not optimal team.

2 mark
"they are one of the richest clubs in europe" ©
CSKA have closed budget and nobody knows real sum. It's only about 25-35 mln. euros. But where is this money? I don't know.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: Rx Date: 03-08-2004, 12:21	Theres the money? Didnt they spend $30 mil on players since the beggining of year?

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: Zibir Date: 03-08-2004, 13:11	Who? M. Krasic and maybe Ferreira or D. Corvalo? And where is Wagner for 7.5 mln dollars? 30 mln is full bosh!

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: Rx Date: 03-08-2004, 13:59	Fereiro, Carvalho and Wagner - already $21 mil. Besides Aldonin, Krasic, Chidi Odiah, Dadu.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: Rx Date: 03-08-2004, 14:15	From the news: CSKA is going to buy Luis Fabiano for 16 mil euro, Brazilian NT forward, best scorer of last Copa Libertadores.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: Zibir Date: 04-08-2004, 09:25	O'k, but almost all these purchases don't work. Except for E. Aldonin and maybe C. Odiah. Bad selection, I think.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: maymunata Date: 04-08-2004, 10:40	Yeah, it was Anzhi Mahachkala, not Alanija. There's no war in Vladikavkaz, but in Degestan.

Re: CSKA Moskva
Author: Zibir Date: 04-08-2004, 13:19	maymunata, in Dagestan wasn't war Some months up to a match was antiterrorist operation.

Author: nelster
Date: 04-08-2004, 14:52

something that was never answered before that game was that Rangers refused to play the game in Makhachkala on September 10th 2002 (match was to be 13th) with our owner stating "we will not be playing because we have local information that a terrorist incident is planned".

We all know what happened the next day in the USA.

Just thought it interesting given the links between the rebels in Dagestan/Chechnya and islamic militants.

Re: CSKA Moscow
Author: nelster Date: 04-08-2004, 14:54	of course that should have read the year 2001.

Re: CSKA Moskva
Author: Zibir Date: 05-08-2004, 05:02	By the way, new-old trener of PFC CSKA V. Gazaev already possesses experience of games against Rangers FC. In qualification round of CL-1996/1997 Gazaev's club (FC Spartak-Alania, now FC Alania) lose above matches with aggregate 10 - 3.