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Author: kurt
Date: 31-07-2004, 10:02

i have a idea, just for fun but i am also curious. I want to know which budget a club have in europe. Here in Belgium every year you get in the newspaper a little book with al the club's their new players, adress of the stadium,... and the BUDGET.

I think also in the rest of europe. So i want to ask if you know official budgets, put it on the list and if you can make the average of al the clubs of that country. Call this for example :
belgium(average 18) : 10 million euro
the 18 stands for 18 clubs

i am going to look for belgium now.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: Rosa Date: 31-07-2004, 21:59	In Poland Wisla has biggest budget and it is about 7 mln Euro but average budget for rest of the teams is about 3 mln. (from 2mln to 5 mln)

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: kurt Date: 01-08-2004, 12:58	In belgium the biggest budget is Anderlecht : 25 million euro,then club brugge and genk and standard with 16 million euro, the lowest budget is Oostende 4 million euro.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: zbruch Date: 01-08-2004, 13:59	ukraine. dynamo and shakhtar about $40 mln, rest much smaller, about $5 mln on average i would say

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: kurt Date: 01-08-2004, 14:39	to zbruch are you sure about budget of the two big clubs, do you know in euro ? i am amazed that they have a bigger budget than anderlecht,really rich investors there. Have they in ukraine high tv-rights ?

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: Zuberbuler Date: 01-08-2004, 15:02	NoThere is people with a lot of money.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: eoinh Date: 01-08-2004, 16:43	forgive me for being cynical but what KIND of people? Would i invite them round to meet my mother for instance

Author: Giantkiller
Date: 01-08-2004, 18:57

To Kurt...

Are you so young ? The buget of Anderlecht , with 25 million € is smaller than... 18 clubs in the french league! Are you conscious of that...I believe you are not! Donetz has a budget of 30 million € and will increase with the mafia in the country. Because it's the problem with russians ans ukrainiand investors : the mob is there. And the financial power is enormous. Anderlecht my dear is a dwarf. And it's because it's a dwarf, financialy, than I'm proud to ce a fan ans to see the results and the history of this club.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: kurt Date: 01-08-2004, 22:06	to giantkiller i am 29 year and i know off course that the budget of Anderlecht is peaunuts with teams of the big five. But ukraine is in my eyes something like switserland,austria, and these clubs have al budgets less than 25 million euro. Anyway the champions league money stays in belgium,

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: eoinh Date: 01-08-2004, 22:32	i know the Ukraine might not be as well off as austria, switzerland etc but it has a population of around 60 million and a very proud football history. In many ways it was the main contributer to Soviet Football.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: Mauve4ever Date: 02-08-2004, 08:11	It's right, Anderlecht has a budget from 25 M€ and it's the 146th european budget (information from our president). Reaching Champions League 3 times during the 4 last seasons and being 38th in the team ranking with this budget, it's very good !

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: Zuberbuler Date: 02-08-2004, 08:59	I`m from Bulgaria and i have no idea how can i get the budgets of the clubs in my country.Thyere is no that kind of book like in Belgium,there is no info in newspapers...If someone know i`ll be grateful if he inform me

Author: Lyonnais
Date: 02-08-2004, 14:51

As far as the French clubs are concerned, Lyon is around E100m, Marseille and Paris should be around E80m, Monaco, Nantes, Bordeaux around E50m. I have no idea of the average but the poorest clubs such as Istres, Bastia, Nice, etc. should be around E20m (maybe half of that for Istres).

That might look big if we compare to some other leagues such as Belgium but that does not necessarily mean that our clubs are strong. Marseille, Paris and Monaco still have huge debts (likely to be converted into shareholder's equity as these debts come from their owners, Canal+ for PSG and Robert-Louis Dreyfus the owner of Adidas for Marseille), and even Lyon that used to be considered as a model in the past years lost some money last year (around 3 millions euros). As a result, French clubs still are unable to keep their players and struggle to make some new stars come into the League.

Author: Mauve4ever
Date: 03-08-2004, 08:18

For me the budget is important but it's more important to respect it. My club (Anderlecht) has a budget from 25M€ and we respect it, we have really no money problem. But we have difficult to keep our good players... each year, it's the same, we lose Koller, Radzinski, Goor and soon, Aruna, Wilhelmsson, Jestrovic... for clubs (like Koller in Dortmund) with money problems. Dortmund didn't reach CL last year and it was a disaster.
I hope that Uefa Licences will be really used like it must be...

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: LevskiFan Date: 05-08-2004, 00:35	Well as far as I know levski Sofia's budjed is around 7mil euros,but the richest club in Bulgaria is Naftex they have 7.5 mil euros!Although they are not one of the best teams in Bulgaria theya are very rich!CSKA's budjet is around 6 mil euro and Litex the same.The average teams in Bulgaria have about 3mil euros and the weakest 2 mil euros!

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: kurt Date: 05-08-2004, 18:17	for belgium ( 18 clubs ) : the average is : 7.5 million euro anderlecht : 25,0 million euro club brugge : 21,0 standard luik : 16,0 genk : 15,0 moeskroen : 7,5 gent : 6,5 lierse : 5,5 charleroi : 4,5 sint-truiden : 4,5 lokeren : 4,0 bergen : 3,7 beerschot : 3,5 westerlo : 3,5 cercle brugge : 3,5 beveren : 3,0 fc brussels : 2,5 la louvière : 2,5 oostende : 2,5

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: Giantkiller Date: 05-08-2004, 19:47	You must read : Standard Liège and Mouscron (official names) but nice job from Kurt indeed.

Author: mark
Date: 05-08-2004, 21:16

No official figure but the club with the biggest budget in Israel is Maccabi Haifa with 7 mil euro. The minimal budget reuired in order to participate at the first leauge is 1.4 mil euro. The budget of most of the clubs is 2-3 mil euro, so on avarage I would guess that it is 2.5-3 mil euro.

For Maccabi Haifa and Maccabi T-A the budget is fluid and will increase if they will qualify to the CL. The owner of Maccabi T-A had estimated that the win over HJK will add 1 mil euro to its income, and they are already seeking to add a new striker to the club.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: ZUZIK Date: 06-08-2004, 09:19	ha, Ukrainian biggest clubs as Dynamo and Shakhtar have their own autarkies in ukr football, society do not know the real sums of transfers, only 30 may be percents. e.g Yhe president of FC Shakhtar Rinat Akhmetov said yesterday, that in 2006 Donets city (club Shakhtar) will have 5 star stadium (it will cost EUR 150 mln ). But note, this is only official facts,, ...

Author: maymunata
Date: 06-08-2004, 10:40

Bulgarian clubs are very poor actually. I heard yeasterday that the budget of Rodopa Smoljan is fixed - 300 000 euro. And this team is not the pauper in the league. I'm not sure that Naftex are the richest club in our football. The owners of the club are very rich, but that doesn't mean that Naftex has budget of milions. They sale their best players (now the national goalkeeper Jordan Gospodinov has signed a contract with Litex), so they are not capable of offering them higher salaries. Vasil Bozkov (the owner of CSKA Sofia) has a fortune of over 500 mln. euros (the richest man in Bulgaria officially) but the armyclub is struggling. The player's salaries are under 2500 euro per month in average. So their budget could not be 5 mln. And Levski's is far from 7 mln. too. I think 5 mln at a max. But I'm convinced that they are still the best financed club in our domestic league.

Author: maymunata
Date: 06-08-2004, 17:44

Here's what I found about romanian clubs and their budgets(their objectiv for this season is in the brackets):
1. Steaua Bucuresti- 200 mlrd. lei/4.6 mln. euros (title, cup, UEFA Cup Groups).
2. Dinamo Bucuresti - 180 mlrd. lei/4.14 mln. euros (title, cup, CL Groups (that was before the CLQ3 draw).
3. Rapud Bucuresti - 120 mlrd. lei/2.76 mln. euros (1-3 place, eurocups).
4. CFR Cluj-Napoca - 65.6 mlrd. lei/1.5 mln. euros (remain in Divizia A).
5. Arges Pitesti- 60 mlrd. lei/1.38 mln. euros (1-8 place).
6. Farul Constanta - 52 mlrd. lei/1.19 mln. euros (1-5 place).
7. Apulum Alba-Julia - 51 mlrd. lei/ 1.17 mln. euros (remain in Divizia A).
8. Sportul Bucuresti - 50 mlrd. lei/1.15 mln.euros (remain in Divizia A).
9. Brasov - 48 mlrd. lei/1.10 mln. euros (1-8 place).
10. Poltehnica Iasi - 45 mlrd. lei/1.03 mln. euros (remain in Divizia A).
11. National Bucuresti - 40 mlrd. lei/0.92 mln. euros (1-4 place).
12. Otelul Galati - 36 mlrd. lei/0.82 mln. euros (remain in Divizia A).
13. Poli AEK Timisoara - 36 mlrd. lei/0.82 mln. euros (1-10 place).
14. Universitatea Craiova - 34 mlrd. lei/ 0.78 mln. euros (eurocups).
15. Gloria Bistrita - 34 mlrd. lei/ 0.78 mln. euros (remain in Divizia A).
16. Bacau - 20 mlrd. lei/0.46 mln. euros (remain in Divizia A).

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: maymunata Date: 06-08-2004, 21:09	Bulgarian club Cherno more's budget was published - 650 000 euros.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: hAABet Date: 07-08-2004, 00:18	Hi From Denmark, it is to my knowledge an average of 4,5 million €. The top should be FC Copenhagen with 20 mill. BUT this is not all for football, the best guess is around 12 mill €. The other Copenhagen suburbian team, Brondby is 10-11 mill. The 3rd should be Aalborg with almost 6. If we disregard teams who is elevator teams the budget is from 3 mill. €. and typical not over 4 mill.

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: eoinh Date: 07-08-2004, 00:19	Shelbourne are the richest club in ireland. Their budget this season was €2 million

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: ivcotto Date: 07-08-2004, 01:13	In our Russian Premierleague we are just can suspect about club`s budgets.)) Last month, Spartak Moscow (in the middle of the table now) spent about 20-23 mln. on new players... Except for Spartak, the largest budgets have got CSKA, Lokomotiv. Average(which have the biggest part of clubs) is about 15 mln. In our first division minimal budget, clubs are to have to take part, is 3mln US dollars.

Author: anita
Date: 07-08-2004, 11:40

In Norway Rosenborg tops with 7-8 mill euros. The rest from 4-5 to 1-2 mill euros. So, mark, Rosenborg quite the same as Maccabi Haifa.

But, as I mentioned when this topic was up some months ago, the budget give a hint of course, but we don't know what is "baked" in it. It maybe different payments and interest on loans, they may have budgeted with some money brushing up their stadium, or deliberately budgeting with a deficit (hardly surplus), calculating getting into CL group stage, and in Russia I suspect tax evation and paybacks (read: whitewashing).

PS: eoinh, I haven't checked it, but is Shelbourne the first unseeded CLQR1-team to reach CLQR3?

Re: budgetlist for every club
Author: ss5dgf4sf4 Date: 07-08-2004, 12:52	I know budget Tavriya Simferopol (Ukraine) - 3 million dollars. Tavriya one of the poorest clubs of the Vischey league of Ukraine. Kiev journalists estimate the budget of the Dynamo is 20-30 million dollars. The budget of the Shahtar Donetsk is more. And More 10 million has Metallurg Donetsk only.

Author: hAABet
Date: 08-08-2004, 23:26

Anita.

Gorica this year also came from round 1 and is now in round 3, after eliminating Estonian and danish champ.

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A non scientific rule in budgets, is to take the attandance per season in the league x the average ticket price and x 5 and then 7. Most teams will fall into these estimate.

Even migthy Man.U only gets 25% from the paying fans at the stadium.
The is also few eception where some team only get as low as 10% from the ticket sale due to a major sponsor.

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A other economic issue is the fortune and debt of the teams. Anita mention Rosenborgs budget, not particular high, but have a a huge bank account in contrast of many other teams. Not many years Real Mad. was the best evidence, a debt of almost 500 mill. €.

Author: jpcccc
Date: 28-08-2004, 02:18

In Portugal, i got this information from a "serious" daily newspaper that did a report on the league starting this weekend. Detailed for UEFA clubs:

Porto - 60 million € (m€)
Benfica - 25 m€
Sporting - 20 m€
Nacional - 5 m€
SC Braga - 3 m€
Maritimo - 4 m€

All other 12 clubs range from 1,5 m€ to 5 m€.

Total for all 18 clubs is 152,8 million €.

This means Porto has 40% of the cake, with his two direct competitors, Benfica and Sporting, having together 2/3 of Porto's budget. These big three have, together, 70% of the money. Any other club has, on his own, between, 1% and 3,5% of the money involved.

Author: MichaelCollins
Date: 28-08-2004, 02:32

The best team in the world, Partick Thistle (named so coz I support them - hey we dont all support mainstays in the ChampsLeague ya know!) have a budget of.....

£0 transfer budget.

That means we have absolutely no money to spend on player transfers. However, we live on free transfers and players willing to play for £250 a week. A distinct bit less than what you'd earn at the Old Firm down the road. Or even 3rd division Queens Park on the other side of town for that matter. We're still recovering from nearly going bust 4 years ago.

I know no one cares about that, but never mind lol.