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t.v. camera usage?
Author: richboy Date: 16-10-2003, 23:04	do you think cameras should be used in football, similar to that in rugby? i think it would be better to get a correct decision after 10- 15 seconds than live with a wrong one. plz give you,re views.

Re: t.v. camera usage?
Author: jpcccc Date: 17-10-2003, 01:40	No. Because there are many decisions where the TV angle can deceive viewers from what really happened. Sometimes, only one camera shows the truth, while all others show something quite different. We just have to accept that referee's errors are part of the game. Period.

Re: t.v. camera usage?
Author: molosztash Date: 17-10-2003, 23:56	I completely agree with jpcccc that ref mistakes are part of the game

Author: sr_sofisticacao
Date: 20-10-2003, 16:34

I agree that referees errors are part of the game, but some are too evident to be discarded just as simple errors. Despite the difference between various angles, I think it would be usefull for the referee to have another instrument to judge better some plays that are just too quick.
For instance, off-sides, balls that go just one centimeter over the line, those sorts of things would be clearer with TV help... But even in some fouls it would be usefull.

Re: t.v. camera usage?
Author: kerrbhoy Date: 20-10-2003, 18:01	I'd like to see something done about bad offside decisions (not necessarily with cameras). The ball going over the line happens about 1 every 50 or 100 games...but there are incorrect offside decisions EVERY game.

Author: Heero
Date: 20-10-2003, 22:00

There MUST come a tv-camera usage in football! And as soon as possible! In this season we, Belgium, were already 4 times the victim of a gigantic foul of the refferee:

Bulgary - Belgium: Colina doesn't see a gigantic penalty on Mbo Mpenza in the 85th minute. The Belgians may not go to Euro 2004 due to this fault.

Club Brugge - Celta de Vigo: The red card for Mendoza was 100% correct, but Jignacio made a foul which was 100 times more a red card!

Olympique Lyonnais - RSC Anderlecht: A grotesque penalty for the French in de 20th minute. Even Geoffrey Coupet, the keeper of Lyon, said it wasn't a penalty at all.

Sporting Lokeren OV - Manchester City: Again, a gigantic shwalbe in the 16th minute and the ref gives a penalty... => Lokeren eliminated.

Author: jpcccc
Date: 22-10-2003, 01:56

Ok. I already said what i think: that ref errors are part of the game. Just think what FIFA had to do in WC2002 by stopping video replays within the stadium.

But let me just think about TV camera usage in practical terms. There's an dubious play (an offside, a ball over the line, etc...). The ref has a doubt and decides to watch TV camera footage. He stops the game to see the footage. The crowd starts roaring JUST because the ref HAS a doubt. The crowd starts putting pressure on the ref. The players start putting pressure on the ref. In the crowd there are people arguing madly about the play. In the pitch there are even players starting to push one another.

Now, the ref has to decide. He sees the footage and there are two different TV angles that show slightly different things. The ref still has doubts. Meanwhile, he has to decide with a full stadium waiting for this decisive moment. Those that will lose can have here their excuse for the defeat. Those that will win only want to forget about this.

The ref makes a decision. Probably a decision based on the environment around him, much more than in what he saw. That decision is part of the game. Many view the footage and claim the ref doesn't know how to watch TV cameras in slow motion. Next step: FIFA should allow a referendum about each dubious play in the match.

OK. So now do you see why i don't want TV cameras ? The problem won't go away... and the game will lose momentum. Furthermore, some people think sports is about justice and not a game. That's why they focus on the ref more than on the play.

Author: kerrbhoy
Date: 22-10-2003, 13:07

jpcccc...

You should watch the Rugby World Cup. There are decisions made on camera, but they are not made by the match referee. There is a separate "video ref" who sits in the stands and watches on camera and he makes an objective decision.

I do agree that this system would slow football down. Even in rugby where it is usually only used 3 or 4 times in a match (at most) it slows games down. Referees tend to use the TV cameras to make decisions which are very easy decisions to make because they are too scared to trust their own eyes.

There must be some sort of technology which can be used to improve referee's performances. Offsides are the one thing that bugs me. So many bad offside decisions are made, simply because it is a scientific/physical impossibility for linesmen to watch the ball being kicked and the line of defenders at the same time...