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Author: mark
Date: 11-09-2003, 20:55

This is a question both in the club and national levels.

Do you think that managers and coaches are aware of the long term implication a game may have even if it is a second leg after the first leg was lost 10-0 because of the way the coeficient system works, and the way it impacts whether a team will be seeded, or being in a better pot?

I believe that almost no one in israeli footbal got enough intelegence to search for the coeficient info on the net, as all of us had done, or atleast they don't do anything that indicates otherwise. The only ocasion I have heard a football coach relating to the subject was last year when Hapoel T-A lost their game to krunten 1-0 (probably because they had won 4-0 on the first leg) where he said in an interview that it was a loss of good coeficient points.

opinions?

Author: Andymac
Date: 11-09-2003, 21:42

I don't think they do, Mark.
There are numerous cases of teams with a big lead from the first leg, playing weakened sides in the 2nd.
Getting through seems to be all that matters; whether they lose a match is irrelevant as long as they are in the next round.
Last season, I was annoyed that Celtic allowed themselves to be beaten in Stuttgart after being 2-0 up, which was two points lost co-efficient-wise.
Martin O'Neill wasn't bothered by that when interviewed after the game, as Celtic went through anyway.

Author: hamilton1978
Date: 12-09-2003, 07:49

I agree with Andymac.

As far as Celtic are concerned they are always in Europe every year so I don't think they are too bothered about the co-efficients.

Co-efficients are not a highly talked about subject.....some papers here don't have a clue about co-efficients sometimes.

I have yet to find someone in my office to know anything about co-efficients in great detail...they laugh at me when I said Scotland may have 6 teams in Europe soon.

I wouldn't be surprised if managers of big teams don't care about co-efficients but managers of smaller clubs should have more cause for concern.

Author: putzeijs
Date: 12-09-2003, 09:24

I don't think they do care for more that a year or two.
But I think that things change. Since a few years Belgian teamleaders began to wonder how it was possible that teams like Anderlecht and Brugge, who were topteams in the '70s had to play 2 rounds of qualies.

And it's the same for the FIFA ranking. I have the feeling that since our national coach found out some years ago how this ranking was calculated, the number of friendlies increased.

Author: krdeluxe
Date: 12-09-2003, 12:36

I think everyone who visits this site frequently knows about the importance of the coefficient and the importance of winning each game in European football and everyboy else has no idea

. That was before I heard the General Manager of Anderlecht (Michel Verschueren), he was very happy with the late win over Wisla Krakow because of the points for the coefficient. So some managers know the importance, but the most (including football-journalists) dont know anything about it.

Re: Are coeficient taken into acount by managers
Author: rod_c Date: 12-09-2003, 14:11	We have a journalist in Glasgow (Iain Davidson) who tries to come across as all knowing on coefficients, but every article he does about it says that the coeff is made up fromt he performances of club sides in Europe & the performances of the national team. I don't think Scotland would have 2 teams in the CL if that was the case.

Re: Are coeficient taken into acount by managers
Author: SkyOddity Date: 12-09-2003, 16:00	To be fair to Martin O'Neill I think he does take the co-efficients into consideration. I distinctly remember him saying before the 2nd leg of MTK that he wanted to win for the benefit of co-efficients even though they were 4-0 up.

Author: vakho
Date: 12-09-2003, 16:35

I think not at all. Started from late 90''s and getting more and more last years managers care only
about ""current day"". And this is not just concerns coefficients , country success but also concerns the quality of the game - as soon as result i.e. win at home with any score or a draw away is accepted very Ok. Despite of the level of opponent!
If someone saw Rudy Veoller's "tears of joy" when Germany finally managed on the last minutes to overtake minors from Faroe Islands which fielded fishermen, postmen etc , you should agree that this
is getting out of common sence. In 86 when Rudy scored with Argentina in the final his emotions were calmer.
I think gaps between nations are getting closer and very soon every success will be celebrated just currently, nowone will afford to play for fun, own
self-confidence and for fans. Sadly there will be only
"one-day" statistics in the future.

Re: Are coeficient taken into acount by managers
Author: kerrbhoy Date: 12-09-2003, 20:11	I doubt that 90% of managers have the slightest idea of the mathematics behind the coefficients. Do they realise you get points for every game won or drawn? I don't think so.

Author: H-AAB-et
Date: 13-09-2003, 13:53

I think there is a big difference, between the countries. The big leagues and major teams do not care about this. However minor league who are on the sge to loose or gain a EC spot might.
I am danish and Denmark next year is down to 3 EC spot, it has some focus inthe media, because we want 4. This fall, the manager of Esbjerg who played versus an Andorran team said, that it was a must to win both games becaise of the point to the nation ranking. esbjerg is one of those teams who is a runner-up in Denmark and to play EC, any extra spot is important. Actually this year Esbjerg only play on a fair play spot. :-)

Author: seol
Date: 13-09-2003, 15:41

My opinion is in Belgium the managers/coaches do know these things, but their first concern is to go through, and that's normal.

On the other hand, I think no one else knows how the system works. I was really shocked 2 years ago when a little article in a newspaper announced: brugge will not be seeded in CL QR3; reason: they didn't play in CL in the last years. It turned out they were seeded cause of their uefa cup campaign the years before.