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Dear Bert
Author: delyan Date: 25-03-2003, 16:53	I would ask if it is possible to introduce some changes to the Team Ranking Table. A suggestion similar to this was already made a couple of months ago. Is it possible to mark teams that are in the ranking but will certainly qualify/not qualify for Europe in different colours - based on the information in the file Qualification 2003? Thanks in advance for your answer. Best Regards, Delyan

Re: Dear Bert
Author: bert.kassies Date: 25-03-2003, 18:59	Dear delyan That is a nice idea, but hard to implement. The ranking pages are automaticly generated from the database of match results. The Qualification 2003 is by hand maintained webpage that contains preliminary information. Hard to combine these two. So, at least for the time being such a feature will not become available. It would simply cost me too much time.

Author: Ricardo
Date: 26-03-2003, 09:23

What I did is copy the team ranking list in an excel spreadsheet. Then I copied the column with teams to a next worksheet in which I added in the next column YES, NO or MAYBE(YOu can say whatever you like).
In the first worksheet I added a column before the Place numbers in which I search for the team name in the second worksheet and place the second column in the field.
This way I can update the first worksheet every time by copying and pasting from the website(thanks Bert), while my YES/NO/... I have to update manualy, but does not get thrown away by every update.

Ricardo

P.S.
exact Excel statement:

=VLOOKUP($C2, ClubParticipation!$A$2:$B$445, 2, FALSE)

where B2 is in the first worksheet and contains Real Madrid, 'ClubParticipation' is the name of the second worksheet, where in A2 is 'Real Madrid' and B2 contains 'YES'

Author: pollymac
Date: 26-03-2003, 13:25

Another suggestion-

Would it be possible to do a team ranking for last five years without the addition of a clubs respective countries points, eg. Espanyol have, at the moment, 42.269 pts of which only 5 pts were gained by themselves, the other 27.269 were attributable to other Spanish teams. I think this would give an interesting and probably a closer indication of how well teams actually perform in European competition.

Re: Dear Bert
Author: seso Date: 26-03-2003, 15:48	Can someone explain to me what is the rationale behind this 50% rule??? Others in this forum have suggested that it should be 25% and I think it should be 0%. I don't understand why clubs should be benefited from the points that their "competitors" in the national leagues get. Any ideas?

Author: stefan-k02
Date: 26-03-2003, 16:42

The easy answer: to guarantee that clubs from the major countries are seeded high.

A nicer idea may be to average a club's points over 5 (or maybe even 10) years.

i.e. (total points)/(years competed) - this would still likely give Spanish/Italian/English clubs which are irregular European qualifiers (Alaves, Leeds, Bologna etc.) a high ranking...while not discriminating against successful clubs from less successful countries - like Celtic, Rosenborg, Kiev.

Author: rod_c
Date: 26-03-2003, 17:32

Even though it works against Scottish teams I think there should be some way of reflecting the competitive leagues where there aren't teams in Europe every year, If Espanol get into the UEFA from the Spanish League they've performed better than Celtic would have to in Scotland to get there.

I would still try & smooth out the distribution of places & cut the amount of automatice entries into the cups that lsoing teams get - make anyone not champion play in qualifiers & let more champion teams straight in. Likewise only Cup Winners & League runners-up to go straight into UEFA - Qualifiers for the rest.

Author: pollymac
Date: 27-03-2003, 19:41

oops, typo error, I did of course mean 37 or so points.

-Rod_c- fair comment about a team like Espanyol getting pts for qualifying from a harder league, but the point is they have only qualified once in the last five years and gaining 5 pts is what an average side from an average country would do. The ranking list, if you look closely, is littered with these teams.

Because Spains pts place them between 67th/68th place, any team from Spain qualifying (don't even have to win a game) are automatically placed at least in 68th place. That means they go above teams like Besiktas, Tottenham, Sporting Lisbon etc.

I think the loading system is unfair to teams that regularly play in Europe and because they ARE from smaller countries they get less points.

Re: Dear Bert
Author: sr_sofisticacao Date: 28-03-2003, 15:26	The thing is that 50% is simply too much... I agree that it should be around 25%.