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QR3
Author: Skyer Date: 26-07-2002, 11:16	Soon there will be a draw of QR2 and QR3. Place your opinions, your emotions and your views about that here. Will be interesting to read! Soon we shall see the opponent of Lokomotiv here!

Re: QR3
Author: Skyer Date: 26-07-2002, 12:24	LOKO - Grazer Ak! Loko must win!

Re: QR3
Author: nelster Date: 26-07-2002, 12:33	Feyenoord - Fenerbahce!!! As a Rangers supporter, it will be good to see one of the two teams which ruined our season suffer like we have. I get the feeling Fener will again have the edge, possibly a 0-0 in Rotterdam and nick a win in Istanbul. I also like the look of Slovan Liberec against AC Milan, Liberec definitely have a chance.

Re: QR3
Author: vakho Date: 26-07-2002, 12:52	Close games - Inter - Sporting (out of comments) Brondby - Rosenborg ( Nordic derby) Shakhtar - Brugge (They played before !) Maribor - AEK (south-east clash) Levski - Dynamo K (looks like slavic derby) Lilleström - Newcastle (Northern clash) Haifa - Sturm (simply level game - some kind of follow-up to AUT-ISR at nat. teams level) Boavista - Auxerre (almost battle!)

Re: QR3
Author: fenerli Date: 26-07-2002, 12:52	i hope that fenerbahce will win against feynoord, i think fenerbahce with the new players Ortega and Washington, and players like Yusuf,Serhat, Rüstü and Rapajic seems the better team. Feynoord is as well a very good team (they are UEFA-CUP CHAMPION) but they lose a very important player with Thomasson. Go ahead Fenerbahce :-)

Re: QR3
Author: vakho Date: 26-07-2002, 12:53	To Jpccc - I think the worst case for Portugal as we spoke before

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 27-07-2002, 11:46

I always liked draw. My opinion on all matches:
Sporting CdeP - Inter FC (without questions, only Inter)
Milan AC - FC Slovan Liberec (difficult couple)
Rosenborg BK - Brøndby IF or KS Dinamo Tirana (firstly Brøndby easily win Dinamo, but in match with Rosenborg not will be favorite.
FC Shakhtar Donetsk - Club Brugge KV or FC Dinamo Bucuresti (I don't know how win in QR2, but Shakhtar win in QR3)
NK Maribor or APOEL Nicosia FC - AEK Athens FC (firstly Maribor will win APOEL, after will be difficult match with AEK and AEK will win)
FC Barcelona - FK Vardar or Legia Warszawa (Legia will win Vardar and then maybe Barcelona will win Legia)
FC Skonto or PFC Levski Sofia - FC Dynamo Kyiv or FC Pyunik (in group will go any of clubs, except Pyunik)
Lillestrøm SK or FK Zeljeznicar - Newcastle United FC (Lillestrøm will win Zeljeznicar and will lose to Newcastle)
Hammarby IF or FK Partizan - FC Bayern München (I fink that Partizan will win Hammarby and certainly Bayern will win Partizan)
KRC Genk - AC Sparta Praha or FC Torpedo Kutaisi (Sparta almost without problems will win Torpedo, but with Genk will be struggle)
Maccabi Haifa or FC Belshina Bobruisk - SK Sturm Graz (Any of clubs may win)
Celtic FC - MŠK Zilina or FC Basel (Celtic will win without problems)
Feyenoord - Fenerbahçe SK (without favorite)
Zalaegerszegi TE or NK Zagreb - Manchester United FC (men, how is Zalaegerszegi? Manchester will win absolutely without problems)
Boavista FC or Hibernians FC - AJ Auxerre (Boavista will beat Hibernians and will lose Auxerre)
FC Sheriff Tiraspol or Grazer AK - FC Lokomotiv Moscow (Sheriff will make problems to Grazer, but Grazer win and austrian club again will be opponent for Lokomotiv. Maybe again will be 3 match)

Author: ahmet
Date: 27-07-2002, 18:05

Sporting CdeP - Inter FC (Inter)
Milan AC - FC Slovan Liberec (Milan)
Rosenborg BK - Brøndby IF or KS Dinamo Tirana(Brondby eventually)
Shakhtar Donetsk - Club Brugge KV or FC Dinamo Bucuresti (Brugge eventually)
NK Maribor or APOEL Nicosia FC - AEK Athens FC (AEK will come out at the end)
FC Barcelona - FK Vardar or Legia Warszawa (Barca)
FC Skonto or PFC Levski Sofia - FC Dynamo Kyiv or FC Pyunik (Dinamo or Levski)
Lillestrøm SK or FK Zeljeznicar - Newcastle United FC Newcastle)
Hammarby IF or FK Partizan - FC Bayern München (Bayern)
KRC Genk - AC Sparta Praha or FC Torpedo Kutaisi (Sparta)
Maccabi Haifa or FC Belshina Bobruisk - SK Sturm Graz (Graz)
Celtic FC - MŠK Zilina or FC Basel (Celtic)
Feyenoord - Fenerbahçe SK (Feyenoord)
Zalaegerszegi TE or NK Zagreb - Manchester United FC (ManU)
Boavista FC or Hibernians FC - AJ Auxerre (Boavista)
FC Sheriff Tiraspol or Grazer AK - FC Lokomotiv Moscow (60%Grazer, 40%Loko)

Re: QR3
Author: jpcccc Date: 28-07-2002, 03:10	Yes, vakho, this draw could hardly be worst for Portugal. Boavista (seeded) got the best of unseeded teams it could get. Sporting (unseeded) didn?t manage to avoid a team from the 'big five'. I predict 4 teams from Portugal on round 1 of UC. None on CL. Meanwhile, i still hope for Boavista on CL, if it gets lucky. I have to put my hopes on anything, right ?

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 28-07-2002, 07:14

Ahmet, you have the almost same opinion as I have. But you have a large belief in Austrian clubs. Don't forget, that the champion of Austria doesn't participate in Champion League. It means, that in CL participate Austrian clubs occupied in last championship second and third place. Sturm has chances to leave for group. But Grazer has very small chances against Lokomotiv. Lokomotiv has occupied the second place in a championship - 2001 and now occupies the first place. And besides this, Russian Premier-Liga more strongly than Austrian Bundesliga.

Re: QR3
Author: HTL Date: 29-07-2002, 00:36	Vakho As I'm interested in other's perception of my team (Newcastle) I'm wondering on what you base your idea that a match between Lillestrom and Newcastle will be close. For myself, I've no idea because I don't know much about Lillestrom. I wouldn't write off Zelzhnicar anyway because I know nothing about them either.

Author: badest
Date: 29-07-2002, 00:55

yesterday's friendly match

Grazer AK - Real Madrid 3:2 (2:0)

1-0 Brunmayr, 2-0 Brunmayr, 3-0 Kollmann, 3-1 McManaman, 3-2 Savio

GAK: Almer (46./Schranz) - Tokic (46./Sick) - Pötscher (46./Hartmann), Hastings (46./Dmitrovic) - Ramusch (46./Standfest), Ceh (46./Gislason), Bazina (46./Czinege), Aufhauser (46./Milinkovic), Halmosi (46./Amerhauser) - Kusi-Asare (46./Kollmann), Brunmayr (46./Tutu/73./Naumoski)

Real: Sanchez - Michel Salgado (46./Minambre), Campo, Pavon (66./Lopez), Bravo (46./Solari) - Figo (46./Makelele), Flavio (46./Celades), Zidane (46./McManaman), Cambiasso - Guti (46./Fernando), Portillo (46./Savio)

2 badest
Author: Zibir.ru Date: 29-07-2002, 06:35	Mr. badest, and what does it mean? I not consider that Grazer is weak club. But I fink that Lokomotiv better than Grazer. O'k man, you will see it soon.

Re: QR3
Author: HTL Date: 29-07-2002, 10:46	Is NK Zagreb 'Croatia' Zagreb? If so, I wouldn't expect it to be easy to Man Utd if they have to play them.

Author: nelster
Date: 29-07-2002, 13:39

Just for those interested in how AC Milan are shaping up for their match with Slovan Liberec, they drew 2-2 with Rangers at Ibrox yesterday.

Milan had almost a full strength side out, except Roque Junior who is still recovering for him world cup party.

Early on Rangers seemed to get most joy by working the wings well, Arteta, de Boer and Ferguson in the centre, did well feeding the wide men Caniggia and Lovenkrands.

Both goals came from crosses on Milan's right side, firstly from Lovenkrands who crossed for de Boer to sneak in behind Maldini, and the second from an Arteta corner to the back post.

In an attacking sense Milan were formidable, Rangers who were playing a back 4 found Shevchenko and Tomasson a real problem, both tried to pull Amoruso and Moore out wide along with them to create space for Seedorf, Gattuso and Serginho to come in and exploit.

Milan's 1st goal was from good work by seedorf and after a front post cross, Tomasson came across his marker to guide the ball in.

The equaliser was mainly due to RAngers inability to handle the step up in pace by Milan in the 2nd half, a well worked move down the right brought a tap in late on to level things.

I actually believed before the game that Liberec may have a chance and during the first half it looked like Rangers would win easily, but the quality of play from Milan in the 2nd half was frightening, possibly the best seen at Ibrox since Valencia of 1999. Milan will win either Serie A or the CL, of that I am sure.

Anyone interested in watching the game can do so at www.ibroxunderground.com

Re: QR3
Author: badest Date: 30-07-2002, 01:26	i agree that Lok Moskau is actually better than Grazer AK, but i thought that this result would be the perfect answer to the posting before. austrian's football might have got worse in the last couple of years.. i'm not sure.. but you shouldn't underestimate it.. whatever.

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 30-07-2002, 05:22

It is a clipping from clause about a match Grazer AK - Real Madrid CF from the most mass Russian sports newspaper:
"... Celebrating 100-th anniversary, modest in every respect club Grazer AK decided to not hesitate and to invite "Royal club", which, as is known, recently and itself marked this date. I don't know, whether the rich Spaniards with themselves brought generous gifts, but on a course of a match, guestes didn't stinted its mistakes. The potential contenders of the Moscow club in the third qualification round of the Champion League with pleasure used them.
For example, was strange to observe, as known in Austria fan of the Spanish football, Brunmayr without effort breaks open defense of the idols, which before, as he admitted, was afraid them.... I think, that if Brunmayr stay after a break on a field, the result for Real could be much worse..." ©Sport Express.
It was only friendly match.
July 31 will be the first match of Grazer AK. Many in Russia will support the Moldavian team because many remember the last year. As I wrote, Grazer will have promlems.

Re: QR3
Author: LBlanco Date: 30-07-2002, 08:53	HTL NK Zagreb is not the same club as former Croatia Zagreb, which now has recovered his ancient name of Dinamo Zagreb.

Re: QR3
Author: HTL Date: 30-07-2002, 11:05	LBlanco Thanks, mate.

Author: badest
Date: 01-08-2002, 12:14

> July 31 will be the first match of Grazer AK. Many in Russia will support the Moldavian team because many remember the last year. As I wrote, Grazer will have promlems.

Tiraspol - GAK 1:4 (0:2)
Tiraspol, 14.000, Referee Nicolai Vollquartz/Dänemark.

0:1 ( 3.) Bazina, 0:2 (45.) Aufhauser, 0:3 (50.) Bazina, 1:3 (51.) Tarknischwili, 1:4 (71.) Hastings

Tiraspol: Tschirilow - Tarknischwili - Odiah, Botis - Comlionoc, Iwanow, Priganiuc (46. Tudor), Ciubancan, Testimitanu - Nesteruk (81. Brown), Patula

GAK: Almer - Tokic - Pötscher, Hastings - Ramusch, Aufhauser, Bazina (86. Sick), Ceh (90. Halmosi), Dmitrovic - Brunmayr, Kusi-Asare (62. Kollmann)

Re: QR3
Author: Zibir.ru Date: 01-08-2002, 17:15	For me this result became unexpected. Tomorrow in our newspapers will be more detailed reports on this match. And I shall read. By the way, the surnames of the players of Sheriff are written very strangely. For me difficultly to read these surnames in such a spelling.

Author: badest
Date: 01-08-2002, 23:24

yeah, these are the 'german versions' of their names..

to the match: gak scored the goals in the unluckiest situations for Tiraspol. 3.minute: Tiraspol was shocked and nervous.. 45.minute: directly before halftime, 50.minute: shortly after halftime. so gak had a bit of luck but was the better team.

In newspapers here Tiraspol's coach was quoted saying that he was really looking forward to the matches against Lok Moskau. as if gak was an easy opponent.. whatever.

ah and in addition: just because the referee in last year's game against Tirol made a mistake, it doesn't mean you have to have feelings of hate for GAK, only because it's an austrian club.. this would be rather unintelligent, i'd say..

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 02-08-2002, 05:07

Yes, Grazer obviously is better than Sheriff. On a match in Tiraspol there was a main trainer of Lokomotiv, Yury Syomin. In team of Austrian club he noted these players: Dmitrovic, Brunmayr, Bazina and Almer. The trainer has not wanted to compare Grazer and Tirol. By the way, I not the fan of the Lokomotiv. And are you fan of Grazer?
" it doesn't mean you have to have feelings of hate for GAK, only because it's an austrian club.. " © It is inevitable. The last year, Russia was strongly humiliated by the Austrian and Scottish club, and also Englishman. There was a series of humiliations. It is not forgotten.
By the way, Moldavian goalkeeper is Kirilow (German version).

Author: badest
Date: 03-08-2002, 14:36

> Dmitrovic, Brunmayr, Bazina and Almer.

mhm. he's right, they're probably the 4 stronges players of GAK.

> The trainer has not wanted to compare Grazer and Tirol. By the way, I not the fan of the Lokomotiv. And are you fan of Grazer?

no, i am.. i was fan of FC Tirol. but it is no more, as you know. Lokomotiv Moskau killed it =)

> "it doesn't mean you have to have feelings of hate for GAK, only because it's an austrian club.. " © It is inevitable. The last year, Russia was strongly humiliated by the Austrian and Scottish club, and also Englishman. There was a series of humiliations. It is not forgotten.

so that means that russian fans like you will never ever forget/forgive what has happened back then? even if

a) Lokomotiv won and got into CL
b) FC Tirol is no more and obviously can't be hated no more
c) you're not even a fan of Lokomotiv?

just can't believe that..

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 03-08-2002, 15:55

"> Dmitrovic, Brunmayr, Bazina and Almer.

mhm. he's right, they're probably the 4 stronges players of GAK."© Now in Russia everyone know about it.

"Lokomotiv Moskau killed it =)"© Accept my condolences.

Money is necessary to all.

"so that means that russian fans like you will never ever forget/forgive what has happened back then? even if
a) Lokomotiv won and got into CL
b) FC Tirol is no more and obviously can't be hated no more
c) you're not even a fan of Lokomotiv?"©
a) Business in the repeated match, it's in itself was offensive for Russia. Because the reason of recurrence of game was not weighty.
b) Now in Russia there is a bad relation to all Austrian clubs. But also there is a very bad relation to uefa.
c) I'm a fan of FC Zenit Sankt-Petersburg. But also I'm a fan of Russian football.

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 08-08-2002, 06:45

O'k, Second QR was finished.
Now we have next matches in third QR:

1. Sporting Club de Portugal - Internazionale FC
2. Milan AC - FC Slovan Liberec
3. Rosenborg BK - Brondby IF
4. FC Shakhtar Donetsk - Club Brugge FV
5. APOEL Nicosia - AEK Athens FC
6. FC Barcelona - Legia Warszawa
7. PFC Levski Sofia - FC Dinamo Kyiv
8. Lillestrom SK - Newcastle United FC
9. FK Partizan - FC Bayern Munchen
10.KRC Genk - AC Sparta Praha
11.Maccabi Haifa - SK Sturm Graz
12.Celtic FC - FC Basel
13.Feyenoord - Fenerbahce SK
14.Zalaegerszegi - Manchester United FC
15.Boavista FC - AJ Auxerre
16.Grazer AK - FC Lokomotiv Moscow

I think, that in the second round there were no surprises, except for APOEL.

Re: QR3
Author: seso Date: 08-08-2002, 11:02	Some interesting matches: Sporting Lisbon-Inter Rosenborg-Brodby Genk-Sparta Praga Macabi Haifa-Sturm Graz Celtic-Basel Feyenord-Fenerbachze Boavista-Auxerre Lokomotiv-Grazer The winners for me: Inter Milan, AC Milan, Rosenborg, Club Brugge, Barcelona, Dynamo Kiev, Newcastle, Bayern Munich, Genk, Sturm Graz, Celtic (??), Feyenord, Man Utd, Boavista, Loko (??), AEK

Re: QR3
Author: badest Date: 08-08-2002, 13:48	> 8. Lillestrom SK - Newcastle United FC wrong because Sarajevo beat Lilleström, which is another surprise as Sarajevo wasn't even seeded in round 1.

Re: QR3
Author: Zibir.ru Date: 09-08-2002, 04:21	Yes, really I allowed a mistake. 8. FK Zeljeznicar - Newcastle United FC Probably Englishmen do not want to go to Bosnia By the way, Grazer and Lokomotiv achieved the agreement about carrying of the first match from Moscow in Graz because of Sturm.

Re: QR3
Author: badest Date: 10-08-2002, 03:05	really looking forward to those matches.. i only have little hopes for Grazer AK but let's see.. these matches will also be quiet important for uefa-ranking, as Russia is currently in 17. place, Austria is in position 15.

Re: QR3
Author: eyal Date: 10-08-2002, 19:18	israel is in position 16 and maccabi haifa plays against sturm graz!

Re: QR3
Author: Zibir Date: 13-08-2002, 04:20	Yes, Russia yet was not on such low place. Two victories are necessary for us. But the match in Austria will be very difficult and I think, that the score will be 2 - 1.

Re: QR3
Author: Skyer Date: 14-08-2002, 16:54	Izmailov won't play. Bad.

Re: QR3
Author: mendoza Date: 14-08-2002, 22:19	shaktyor donetsk-club brugge kv 1-1 krc genk-sparta praha 2-0 belgium clap clap clap

Re: QR3
Author: Zibir Date: 15-08-2002, 05:49	Interesting result, isn't it? * Maccabi confidently won Sturm. * Lokomotiv without trouble won Grazer in Graz. * Zalaegerszeg!!! Will be cool, if it go in group round. 2 badest What can you say about game in Graz? In Russia not broadcasted this match because of ORF1.

Re: QR3
Author: eyal Date: 15-08-2002, 18:15	about maccabi i can tell you that in second half sturm played better than maccabi and maccabi were lucky not to lose in the first half maccabi played better

Re: QR3
Author: badest Date: 21-08-2002, 14:00	sorry bout the delay of my answer.. was away a few days.. there's not really much to say about the match. lok moscow was cleverer.. simply better and deserved to win. congratulations to them.

Author: drcgian
Date: 21-08-2002, 16:33

(0-2) Sturm-Maccabi [The Israelis can qualify>
(0-0) Inter-Sporting [Inter are losers, Sporting can do it>
(0-1) Man Utd-Zalaegerszegi [United has to win>
(1-0) Auxerre-Boavista [Boavista have a nice team, but the French have great advantage>
(0-3) Legia-Barca [No chance for the Polish>
(1-0) Dynamo Kyiv-Levski Sofia [Dynamo has a lot of experience and will qualify>
(1-0) Newcastle-Zeljeznicar [Newcastle are in good condition, easy qualification>
(0-1) Fener-Feyenoord [Feyenoord have a better team and just need a goal to ensure qualification>
(0-1) Slovan L.-Milan [Will not be easy for the Italians with Shevchenko out, but they can do it>
(2-0) Lokomotiv-GAK [Moscow may not win, but they will qualify>
(3-2) AEK-APOEL [AEK will not have problems in Athens>
(3-0) Bayern-Partizan [Bayern is already in the groups>
(1-3) Basel-Celtic [Basel does not look in good condition lately, Celtic is better>
(0-1) Brondby-Rosenborg [Very tough, but Brondby can do it>
(0-2) Sparta-Genk [Genk has the advantage, but less experience, probably they will qualify>
(1-1) Brugges-Shakhtar [Belgium will have 2 teams in groups if Genk qualify, because Brugges will>

Author: H-AAB-et
Date: 21-08-2002, 20:49

My estimated for qualification in procent:

(0-2) Sturm Graz-Maccabi 40/60
(0-0) Inter-Sporting Lisboa 70/30
(0-1) ManU.-Zalaegerszegi 70/30
(1-0) Auxerre-Boavista 70/30
(0-3) Legia Warsaw-FC Barcelona 95/5
(1-0) Dynamo Kiev-Levski Sofia 80/20
(1-0) Newcastle-Zeljeznicar 80/20
(0-1) Fenerbahce-Feyenoord 45/55
(0-1) Slovan Liberec-Milan 40/60
(2-0) Lokomotiv Moscow-GAK 90/10
(3-2) AEK Athens -Apoel Nicosia 80/20
(3-0) Bayern-Partizan Belgrade 95/5
(1-3) Basel-Celtic 30/70
(0-1) Brondby-Rosenborg 40/60
(0-2) Sparta Prague-Genk 30/70
(1-1) Club Brugge-Shakhtar 60/40

Re: QR3
Author: vakho Date: 22-08-2002, 10:44	100% - Manchester, Barca, Dinamo K, Newcastle, Locomotiv, AEK, Bayern, Very good chances and not to be missed - Maccabi, Auxerre, Celtic, Brugge Still to come - Inter-Sporting, Liberec-Milan My money is against Italians Fenerbahce- Feynoord - I would say Feynoord but with 51-49 Brondby - Rosenborg 50-50 (maybe 11s?)