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Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: H-AAB-et Date: 07-07-2002, 20:46	GRP 1: FRAN-ISR-SLVN-CYP-MALTA GRP 2: DEN-ROM-NOR-BOS.H-LUX GRP 3: NL-CZP.REP-AUT-BLR-MOLD GRP 4: SWE-POL-HUNG-LAT-S.MAR GRP 5: SCOT-GER-LITH-ICEL-FAROE I. GRP 6: UKR-SPA-GREECE-N.IRE-ARM GRP 7: ENG-TURK-SLVK-F.Y.R MACE-LICH GRP 8: BELG-BUL-CROA-EST-AND GRP 9: YUG-ITA-FIN-WAL-AZB GRP 10:IREL-RUS-SCH-GEOR-ALB Be happy to explain :-)

Author: vakho
Date: 07-07-2002, 21:11

Ok,
Group 1 - Why Israel ?? Slovenians have shown
that they are quite promising team.
Group 2 - I think Romania is in deeper crisis
than Norway

Group 3 -Ok (However it will be fight for no 1)
Group 4 - Ok
Group 5 - I would change Sco-Ger on Ger-Sco

Group 6&7 - Same with as 5
Group 8 - I don't think Bulgaria is better than
Croatia
Group 9 - It's sort of "2games" group

Group 10 -more or less equal group - though Ire &Rus
are candidates

Author: H-AAB-et
Date: 08-07-2002, 00:12

1) Israel is on rise. Slovenia has peaked with Euro2000 and WC2002. But of course, they have a good chance.
2) I know Romian football is in a crise. But they still have an okay national team. Norwau play to classis british, easy to predict.
3) I doubt that the Czechs will be a challenge to the dutch. They where going down and down in the last qualifier.
5)I guess, it will be close. Of course Germany can be winner. I just imagine they will loose points, in the attempt to build a WC2006 team
6)Close race. For it seems that ukrainian football is under rise. Spain has to change on several positions, due to age.
7) Turkey is good. But not stabile over 1? year.
8) They began the construction of a new team in the last qualifier. Croatia went really down in WC2002 due to age. has to start the construction of a new team.
9) Close. (again) Also the generation change. But its a 50/50.
10) Ireland showed good football in WC. Russia is big and with many talents players. If rumours are right, then a dane will lead them. (Richard M Nielsen, the coach who lead DK to gold in 92'). So yes, a another close race.

BR

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: HTL Date: 08-07-2002, 09:04	I think group 9 isn't as clear cut as some would think. Wales will surprise people, they have a good group of players coming through and are definitely worth watching. BTW I'm not Welsh, I'm English, so I'm not biased.

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: ahmet Date: 08-07-2002, 09:05	Group 6 - Greece will definately qualify. Guess who will not. Group 5 - I would like to give a chance to Iceland

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: eyal Date: 08-07-2002, 23:36	israel is on no rise no foreign players want to play in israel it lost 7-0 to germany and 3-1 to denmark and the worse it did 1-1 with austria they have changed coach just recently no big country want to play a friendly against israel and the home games will probably be held abroad because of the racism in UEFA

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: eyal Date: 08-07-2002, 23:37	by the way richard nielsen is the former coach of israel

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: H-AAB-et Date: 09-07-2002, 03:24	Rumours was'nt rigth. Richard Nielsen did'nt get the job in Russia. And yes, he had also coached Israel, but not in 92'. Would have been great with 4 danish coaches. (Denmark, Faroe Islands, Luxembourg and Russia)

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 09-07-2002, 09:21

Eyal, man, as far as I know, last club, which visited Israel, was FC Lokomotiv Moscow. It because in Russia are playing the real men, instead of west... The last year the best woman's Scottish club Rangers FC refused to go in Russia, they was frightened. Mice!

This my opinion:
1. France-Slovenia-Israel-Cyprus-Malta
2. Norway-Denmark-Romania-Bosnia-Luxemburg
3. Netherlands-Czech Rep.-Belorussia-Austria-Moldavia
4. Sweden-Poland-Hungary-Latvia-San Marino
5. Germany-Scotland-Lithuania-Iceland-Faroe Iceland
6. Spain-Greece-Ukraine-Nothern Ireland-Armenia
7. England-Turkey-Slovakia-FYR Macedonia-Lichtenstein
8. Belgium-Crotian-Bulgary-Estonia-Andorra
9. Italy-Serbia & Cernogoria-Finland-Wales-Aserbaijan
10.Ireland-Switzerland-Georgia-Russia-Albania

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: HTL Date: 09-07-2002, 11:44	I think Wales will win their group. I'll remind everyone of this prediction later on just as it's about to happen. HTL

Author: Vladutz
Date: 09-07-2002, 13:38

This is what I think will happen in the qualifiers:
1)France - Slovenia - Israel - Cyprus - Malta
2)Romania - Denmark - Norway - Bosnia - Luxemburg
3)Netherlands - Czech Rep. - Austria - Belarus - Moldova
4)Sweden - Poland - Latvia - Hungary - San Marino
5)Germany - Scotland - Iceland - Lithuania - Faroe Isl
6)Spain - Ukraine - Greece - Northern Ireland - Armenia
7)Turkey - England - Slovakia - Macedonia - Liechtenstein
8)Belgium - Bulgaria - Croatia - Estonia - Andorra
9)Italy - Yugoslavia - Wales - Finland - Azerbaijan
10)Ireland - Russia - Switzerland - Georgia - Albania

I really think that Romania and Turkey can top their groups against Denmark and England respectively. Interesting fights will take place for the second spot in groups 6, 8 and 10. In spite of all the calculations, Cyprus, Bosnia and Georgia could be the surprises and prevent some of the "big boys" from getting to Portugal.

Author: nelster
Date: 09-07-2002, 14:23

A little message for zibir.ru, the world-famous Rangers FC didn't run away and hide, we were not allowed to come and play in Makhachkala, if you had a squad worth Ł100 miilion and couldn't be insured yould you travel.

I don't mean this next comment as being on the whole of that area but it is widely known that there is a lot of terrorist activity round about Dagestan and neighbouring Chechnya.

Our chairman David Murray made comments a few days before the original scheduled date in which he stated "A major figure who I cannot name has warned us that something major is planned for the days surrounding the match".

I think we all remember that a couple of days before the scheduled Thursday match September 11th happened, was this what our chairman had been talking about??.

But to return to the subject of this post I would actually agree with zibir.ru Except for Group 5 where Scotland will win thanks to the midfield of Lambert and Ferguson and group 9 where a young man called Robert Earnshaw will inspire wales to 2nd place behind Italy.

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: eyal Date: 09-07-2002, 14:35	Zibir.ru last club visited israel is parma then ac milan refused to come richard nielsen was coaching the israeli team since january 2000 till a month ago

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: HTL Date: 09-07-2002, 16:06	Nelster Wales have more than just Earnshaw coming through. They have a lot of pace through their team. The midfield and attack look good. A couple of quality defenders and they'll be flying. At the moment, it's in defence where they look slightly suspect, but I expect their attacking play to take a lot of people by surprise in this tournament.

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 09-07-2002, 17:31

Eyal
I really have forgotten about Parma AC. It means, that Parma is worthy of respect, man.

Nelster
Our minister of foreign affairs too could declare: "We have information, that the Northern-Irish grouping wants to explode a bomb on the stadium during the match". How this for you? (It was for example)
The Russian clubs go in Makhachkala without fear. But if to Makhachkala arrived world-famous club, then them would blow up. Bosh! For the terrorists there are no borders. They can explode a bomb in Glasgow and in Makhachkala. Everywhere!
May be it's politics of UK, as I feel.
So, what in a result? The world-famous Rangers FC hardly - hardly won club from very dangerous region near Chechnya, scoring a goal at last minutes of the match, with help of the player of FC Anzhi.

Author: nelster
Date: 09-07-2002, 17:48

Ok ok, that is a very good point about the IRA, possibly the media here help portray an image that "everyone in Makhachkala carries a gun", stuff like that.

It may interest you that for the first time in around 25 years Rangers will travel to Northern Ireland to play a friendly against Linfield at the end of July. I must admit I am a little worried by this, however the club have decided the time is right to thank the people of Northern Ireland who support Rangers.

As for your comment about Rangers not being very good. Yes I would admit that night we were really poor, possibly worst performance of the season. But we did show our class in the games against Dinamo Moscow and Paris-SG.

Given a good draw this season, there is no reason why we can't go all the way. An interesting fact is that we seem to always lose to eventual winners or current holders.

1992 lost to Red Star Belgrade (Old european cup winners)
1993 lost to Marseille (CL winners)
1995 lost to Juventus (Cl winners)
1996 lost to Ajax (winners CL).
1998 lost to Parma (UEFA Cup winners)
1999 beat Parma lost to Bayern Munich(semi-finalists) and Valencia (finalists)
2000 lost to Galatasaray (uefa cup holders)
2001 lost to Feyenoord (uefa cup winners).

Possibly that is a little bit desperate to point out something like that, but surely no other team has a record like that. Of course if you want to be the winners then you must beat the best.

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: jpcccc Date: 10-07-2002, 02:54	Wow ! Now i want FC Porto to be drawn against Rangers on UEFA Cup, as soon as possible. By the way, to which teams has Rangers lost in 94 and 97 ?

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 10-07-2002, 04:25

"Ok ok, that is a very good point about the IRA, possibly the media here help portray an image that "everyone in Makhachkala carries a gun", stuff like that."© I think, that a lot of fear was made by your mass-medias. They frequently prevent football. In Russia the history with Anzhi and Rangers received the large resonance. And the victory under Dinamo was expected. Dinamo is very weak.
The history of losses of club is very interesting.

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: Skyer Date: 10-07-2002, 10:14	The fact is - the Rangers with it's shamy behavior deprived Mahachkala of the great HOLIDAY because of the first(and unfortunately, maybe the only) entrance to the UEFA CUP. If you had seen, HOW MUCH expectations were made by sitizens of that great city. And scarecows Rangers didn't let it happen. I can't respect that team.

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: HTL Date: 10-07-2002, 10:34	Nelster Showing my ignorance. But, what is the background to what Skyer is on about? HTL

Author: nelster
Date: 10-07-2002, 14:13

to jpcccc, Rangers lost in 1994 to AEK Athens and in 1997 to Gothenburg (CL) and Strasbourg (UC).

Well done to Porto against Celtic in last season's CL!

I should also point that in recent years we have played in both the CL and UEFA cups, so there are other teams we have lost to such as Dortmund and Kaiserslautern and Fenerbhace, just thought it interesting the way we always play the winners or holders at some point.

I have to say that it was UEFA who denied Anzhi their "holiday" in Glasgow, Rangers were more than willing to play over two legs with the 1st leg in a place such as Latvia, Romania or Bulgaria. We had a game switched for security reasons against Shelbourne of Ireland which was played in England with the 2nd leg in Glasgow. I also remember Leicester City playing their 2nd leg versus Red Star in Bucharest.

It was UEFA who caused the problem by delaying any decision until the very last minute when it was obvious a couple of days after the draw that Rangers could not be insured and were being told by the government that they should not go. Because they took so long, there was no time to schedule 2 legs and there could only be time for 1 match in Warsaw.

Can I also say that UEFA also did Rangers no favours by only having 1 match, they denied us the chance to earn co-efficient points which would have been awarded for a 2nd leg win also.

Rangers do not have a problem with playing in volatile areas. In 1998 we traveled to Jerusalem for a game with Beitar. The difference there was that we were assured security and insurance for the squad.

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: Zibir.ru Date: 10-07-2002, 14:42	2 Nelster Here I absolutely agree with Skyer.

Author: Zibir.ru
Date: 10-07-2002, 15:24

2 Nelster
The history was a little another. The Scottish club did not want to go in Russia. He used the connections with big european clubs (MU and Milan or Real), that they also support carrying of game. And uefa agreed, as uefa is european fifa.
There is a rule: to play a home and guest match. If one of teams does not come on a match, then it is announced losed.
If you speak about any insurance, we can speak, for example, about inconvenient footwear of our football players. But it is our problems! The insurance was your problem! If because of yours problem you were not on a match, means you lost this match.

Author: nelster
Date: 10-07-2002, 16:01

Yes you are correct, Rangers did ask a lot of teams for their support. Surprisingly it wasn't Celtic or any of the english teams. Inter Milan and AC Milan were the 2 who pushed to support us. They declared that if Anzhi were allowed to "walkover" the match because Rangers did not travel to Russia, they would do exactly the same. The argument was that Anzhi could "walkover" all the way to the final and that would be ridiculous.

Very good point about the problems Anzhi face such as footwear and even possibly the air travel to Glasgow.

It was a very sorry episode which shouldn't continue as a fight between the two federations. Rangers got their own way, end of story. There have been plenty of instances where UEFA have done things to anger Rangers.

But I reckon Russia could be given Euro 2008 to boost relations. Russian clubs have always been treated harshly by UEFA and this would be their way of an apology.

Author: jpcccc
Date: 11-07-2002, 00:36

Well, it's amazing how this thread has gone so off-topic...

Anyway, and since predictions are just what its name says (predictions), i can predict what i want (even that Newcastle will reach the semis in CL) and check it afterwards. Here are mine:

G1: France-Slovenia-Cyprus-Israel-Malta
i predict France wanting to forget WC 2002, as does Slovenia, while Israel will fail due to internal political instability.

G2: Denmark-Norway-Romania-Bosnia H.-Luxembourg
i predict a comeback from Norway, while Romania is still waiting for another golden generation.

G3: Netherlands-Czech Rep.-Belarus-Austria-Moldavia
an angry comeback from Netherlands, leaving Czech Rep. with no arguments. Austria sinks.

G4: Sweden-Poland-Hungary-Latvia-San Marino
predictable... Last performances justify it.

G5: Germany-Scotland-Iceland-Lithuania-Faroe Is.
also predictable... Iceland is unable to put scots in a cold weather game...

G6: Spain-Ukraine-Greece-N. Ireland-Armenia
Mainly predictable. Only 2nd/3rd place gives me a doubt, but i still don't have faith in Greece.

G7: Turkey-England-Slovakia-FYR Macedonia-Liechtenstein
The stress of Premier League will punish England players against a motivated Turkish squad. Turkey will break the rule of an european World Cup 3rd missing out on the next Euro. Turkey is Eurasia, so it is allowed to break the rule...

G8: Belgium-Croatia-Bulgary-Estonia-Andorra
Belgium will hold against Croatia. Bulgary will keep in a limbo.

G9: Italy-Yug.-Wales-Finland-Azerb.
The balkans will make it hard on Italy, though... The games against Wales will settle the issue for Italy.

G10:Ireland-Switzerland-Russia-Georgia-Albany
The pressure put on Russia by its own people will make it fail to the benefit of Switzerland. Ireland will naturally confirm its rising status as a team.

Also, i'll emphatically predict that my home country (Portugal) WILL be on Euro 2004.

Only that it will play few games until then, which gives me an idea... Imagine the host country is allowed to play qualification, drawn into a group and competing with other teams. In such a group, it would not compete for qualification (granted, as host, even if it finishes last) but for the right to be a seeded team on final phase draw. In case it does not win such a group, the team winning it would also gain the seeded spot. If it ended second, the third team would get into a play-off anyway, just like if it had ended in second...

Well, it is just an idea to avoid the big gap of competition games for host country squads... I'll miss those games for a couple of years.

What do you think about this idea ?

Re: Euro2004 qualifier prediction
Author: Sturmsupporter Date: 30-08-2002, 10:05	@eyal There is no racism in the UEFA! It's too dangerous to play in Israel!