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bert,please keep active during season !
Author: manutd4me Date: 08-05-2002, 21:27	bert,thanks for the excellent new pages covering the seeding AND draw procedures for next season's competitions.i don't recall coming across these before and i don't think i'm that new to your site.but,please can you keep them updated during the staging of the competitions ?.especially,keeping the draw procedure details.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: bert.kassies Date: 08-05-2002, 23:06	You better should watch the UEFA Cup final at that time

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: manutd4me Date: 09-05-2002, 04:16	i access the internet through digital t.v. so i can watch the game and be on the internet at the same time,the screen is inset,and can be full screen at the press of a button.it was an excellent game,by the way.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: tonybhoy Date: 10-05-2002, 00:52	why were you not watching the man utd game which was on at the same time

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: manutd4me Date: 11-05-2002, 06:17	tonybhoy:because i'm a "victim" of itv digital !.although the internet side is still on,for now.so i was watching the uefa cup final,surfing the web,listening to united on the radio all at the same time.plus,i think my girlfriend was muttering about something in thebackground,but jeez a man's got to have his priorities right.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: tonybhoy Date: 12-05-2002, 01:37	answer accepted

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: broxibear Date: 14-05-2002, 14:05	manutd4me. You could always try the conventional way of watching your team play. Especially when they are playing at home. It involves going to the stadium and going thru the turnstiles. Living in Manchester as you say you do, is this a problem ? Or does the fact that so many people travel to Old Trafford from Surrey and Cornwall mean that you cannot get a ticket :-)

Author: feelesh
Date: 14-05-2002, 16:44

Broxibear, in his defence manutd4me (who lives in Manchester) cannot be blamed for supporting a side which is evidently truly popular with men and women, young and old who love to see a young, exciting team.

However, since the game was live on SKY and Man Utd could have been the Champions if the results in this game and 3 days later had gone in our favour, I am surprised he was tinkering on the internet.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: manutd4me Date: 15-05-2002, 04:52	broxibear; you can't just walk up to old trafford and pay to get in or buy a ticket.all games are sold out,most people have been season ticket holders for years. feeleesh; due to the collapse of "itv digital" i can no longer access sky television any longer.also,i cannot have a satellite dish or cable installed where i live.my only option on the night was to listen to the radio,which i did.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: broxibear Date: 15-05-2002, 10:08	Is there no pubs in Manchester with Sky ? Do you have any friends with Sky ? It seems very strange to me that on the evening of the biggest league game of the season with the game live on telly u are tinkering about on the internet.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: seso Date: 15-05-2002, 11:58	ManU4me, don't you think we deserve an explanation??? (I talk like my girlfriend now...)

Author: WiSK
Date: 15-05-2002, 13:19

I have to defend the ManYoo fan here

Like he said, most of Old Trafford is season tickets, for the rest you have to be a member of their ticket club, and IIRC that means you only get tickets for 1-2 games per season (I'm not even sure you can pick which match). It is similar with other big English clubs, almost impossible to get tickets. One year I was lucky to get *a* ticket to Liverpool v Arsenal, and I was on the phone to Anfield for about two days for that. Of course I could phone a ticket agency instead, but then the price is about 3 times more (and I have to pay for a flight and hotel too remember).

On the point of staying home instead of going to the pub. It's up to him really. Some Arsenal-supporting friends last week invited me to the local Irish-themed pub, but of course I'm proud of my countrymen and wanted to see Feyenoord instead. However, I have enough interest in the English league that I watched the UEFA cup final on BBC2 and looked at the teletext for the Arsenal-ManYoo and Liverpool-Blackburn scores. Maybe it would have been more fun in the pub, but for me the important thing was to know all the results as they happened.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: feelesh Date: 15-05-2002, 13:33	WiSK - A generous defence, but this was Man Utd's biggest game of the season. If your team or the Dutch national side were playing a big game and you could only see it in a pub, I'm sure you would be there. I sense there might be a girlfriend shaped thumbprint on the top of his head. :O

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: ahmet Date: 15-05-2002, 14:29	Leave the man alone. I did watch ManU Arsenal game on behalf of him.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: feelesh Date: 15-05-2002, 16:00	Nice one Ahmet. Point made.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: WiSK Date: 16-05-2002, 11:29	Just been thinking. If I ever move to England, I would live in Croydon. Then every week I could try to get tickets for the (many) capital-based premiership clubs, and failing that either Palace or Wimbledon you can still walk up to the stadium on the day and get in.

Author: manutd4me
Date: 18-05-2002, 03:52

bloody hell !

IN ORDER: BROXIBEAR (15/05/02 @ 10:08) yes, yes, & far from being the biggest game of the season,it was anything but.if united had wn 25-0,they had no true chance of winning the league with arsenal home to everton on the saturday.SESO i think the sense of humour did'nt pass translate through the languages too well.it was a joke.WISK what can i say "the boy's done well",playing a blinder in defence.no sick parrots here.FELEESH(15/05/02 @13:33)far from being the game ofthe season it was always going to be an anti-climax.also,no thumbprints on my head.you have'nt seen my girlfriend (neither had i for two weeks ).i'm pretty sure you would have stayed in.by the way,i hope you've got a good alibi for the previous two weeks,as to your whereabouts.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: manutd4me Date: 18-05-2002, 04:03	sorry people,if you are thinking there is something wrong with your eyes.the above contained even more typing errors than normal.wn=won,"did'nt pass translate" = "did'nt translate",feleesh=feelesh and ofthe=of the.

Author: broxibear
Date: 22-05-2002, 21:21

ManUtd4me

Ha. That's a laugh. If it was maybe PortVale4me or Exeter4me you wouldn't be getting this but it's not it's Man U.

Let me give you an example of where I am coming from. There's a guy at my work in Central Scotland. From India by descent. Brought up in Birmingham. Guess what team he supports ? It's a team he's never been to see.
Probably even a city he's never been to either.

And he's in your face constantly going on about how great ManU are. How they are so much better than anything in Britain,Europe,the universe.

For two years since he arrived I've won so much money off him in bets around Champions League time that I've had to declare it to the taxman.

ManUtd4me. Yes, except when they are playing.

Author: WiSK
Date: 23-05-2002, 00:59

It's a very common discussion since the 1990: "what's the proper way to be a football fan?" Here are the rules

1) You must support the team from your city, or a city you have lived in for at least 10 years.
2) You must go to most home games, and some away games when you can manage it.
3) If you can't make the match, you must follow it on the radio or tv.
4) You must sing during the match, and in an accent that is common to the city.
5) You shouldn't wear the club's replica kit unless it's a friendly or European away.
6) You shouldn't enter the ground with those tacky plastic bags stuffed full of merchandise from the club shop.

It's a nice ideal but, Broxibear, you and I both know that footie isn't like this any more. On a personal level, I used to be accepted warmly as an eccentric: a "foreign" fan of the English game. For a number of years now, I notice that somehow I am (along with the other millions of glory-hunting out-of-town bandwagon-followers) given the blame for all that is bad since Sky Sports and Euro96. Moreover, when visiting English cities as a neutral, I used to enjoy people trying to convert me to their club, but recently they just don't want to know. It has become fashionable to make a hierarchy of devotion to the team. Ironically, with some people, I'm pretty sure I have been going to see their club play before they first did.

Anyway, my point isn't that it's okay to be a fair-weather fan. I'm just saying times have changed.

Author: manutd4me
Date: 23-05-2002, 03:20

BROXIBEAR,you've got to answer this.i can't be the only one to have noticed.you're always very critical of man utd having supporters from outside manchester.yet,you clearly state in another part of the forum,when giving details about yourself the following:"i'm a 32 year old glasgow rangers supporter from central scotland" !!! please tell us how many clubs are between your home and glasgow ???.by the way,if you've calmed down,i know you don't say "glasgow" rangers,instead it's "rangers",(just a little wind-up).genuinely interested in your explanation though.i'm not geat on the geography of scotland,but i'm sure clubs such as falkirk,stirling and possibly motherwell are central scotland ?.i am pretty certain that rangers cannot be your local club.keep football for the true fans i say,support your local side,if their no good,tough,i can't be doing with fair weather or bandwagon fans.i suppose you'll be supporting celtic soon,as their becoming the dominant force again.

Author: manutd4me
Date: 23-05-2002, 03:29

whilst people really should support their local club.everyone has the right to follow whoever they want for whatever reason.i've only ever supported man utd all my life.but,i still like to see certain clubs from lots of countries doing well and i look out for their scores and news.i prefer sides that play open attacking football.man utd as an obvious example.although,i'm well upset when they play the 4-5-1 formation.i don't see why a lot of people state it in a detrimental way,that united have fans attending from all over the country.when on a match day at old trafford you see scores of coaches arriving from cities and towns,whose OWN clubs are playing AT HOME,on the same day.that to me is something for united to boast about.

Author: broxibear
Date: 23-05-2002, 13:25

ManUtd4me

From my house I can reach approx 35 of the 40 clubs in Scotland within an hour. I can walk to 3 different clubs within 15 minutes and occasionally do.

The difference is that I attend 90% of Rangers games , the ones I don't being the ones I don't get tickets for. If I'm not there then rest assured I am watching the game somewhere either on Sky in the house or in a pub.

I am most certainly not dithering about on the internet with a moniker such as manutd4me when my team are playing their biggest league game of the season.

Author: feelesh
Date: 23-05-2002, 17:38

manutd4me

There is a line from Shakespeare "Me thinks the lady doth protest too much." Basically it means you are trying too late to retrieve a lost situation.

Face it, (regardless of your ridiculous protestations that United could not win the league), the fact remains that if United had beaten Arsenal, and won against Charlton and also Arsenal had drawn or lost to Everton, United would have been Champions.

Since Arsenal had lost at home three times already including a 4-1 defeat to Charlton, it was possible. You chose to mess around on the Internet, watch another game and listen to your girlfriend in the background (whom you had not seen for 2 weeks).

It is people like you who give United a bad name. You "Sing when you're winning". Stop responding to these emails and just accept that you're not as loyal as you think. I don't live in Manchester, I cannot afford to commute and see all their games but I will follow them to the end because it MATTERS to me. For me, the fact it was possible was enough.

Shut up.

Author: manutd4me
Date: 24-05-2002, 01:34

this is all getting boring and off topic now.but,some things you have to reply to.Feleesh.read again the postings and you will see that i clearly state that i DID listen to united on the radio.also,you've totally lost me on your last points.i say again,i've supported united all my life.that includes when they were relegated to division 2.the only reason i can't get to see them now,is because of all those who have jumped on the bandwagon,this last victorious decade.i used to travel to some appaling dingy "stadiums" when they played in division 2.so,you're way off the mark to say i'm the sort giving them a bad name.anyway,hopefully this forum can get back to being interesting and full of information.instead of all this "fan club" type postings.

Author: WickerMan
Date: 25-05-2002, 16:43

Gents:

Leave the man alone!

There is no formula for supporting a team. It all comes from the heart and I am always suspicious of people who have long winded explanations for why they support a club. It's not something anybody needs to justify. I'm a Rangers fan but not from Glasgow (not far though. Same place as BroxiBear) but I don't see why you should be expected to follow the team closest to your front door. People sometimes say to me "Why don't you support Falkirk?". My answer is always "Because I support Rangers!" There is no "You should support your local team" argument! The only "Should" argument that applies is "You should support whoever the Hell you want"!

There could be very small reasons that decide your allegiance, like liking a particular player when you were a kid. Personally, I was a fan of Derek Johnstone in the 70s when I was a sprog. That was what made me a Gers fan.

Support who you want, when you want and how you want! If someone of Indian descent, born and brought up in Birmingham wants to follow ManU then let him get on with it. It might be annoying when guys like that go on about ManU and take tickets from more loyal fans (and believe me, we have exactly the same problem at Rangers) but the last I heard we lived in a free, democratic society. It's just part and parcel of supporting a big club these days.

Author: manutd4me
Date: 25-05-2002, 19:19

with WickerMan's comments succintly put (and concurring with mine 23/03/02 @03:20

) hopefully a line can be drawn under this "debate".as it's in danger of becoming a childish slanging match.i held back from responding to seso's "shut up" comment.any criticism does'nt register,as it's just peoples views.but,we're only a small step away from starting to say "my team's better than you're team so there !".memories of schoolhood/nursery days abound.

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: jpcccc Date: 25-05-2002, 23:22	Yes, manutd4me. I hope this ends, mainly because this is a forum and bert has explained in a topic long ago why he didn't want to make a chat room on this site... Regards,

Re: bert,please keep active during season !
Author: jpcccc Date: 25-05-2002, 23:31	... and, thinking again, as the number of members of this forum grows a chat room may one day become inevitable... Bert, do you still hold your view on NO chat room needed ? Maybe a clearly visible link to chat rooms that already exist (on UEFA's site or some other site) is a nice solution ...

Author: bert.kassies
Date: 27-05-2002, 19:43

I don't like this thread, I like this thread, I don't like this thread, ... well I don't know.

I like the sense of humor of manutd4me and some of the respondents.
I don't like the topic, or should I say nearly all contributions being off topic.
This forum supports discussions on the calculation of UEFA coefficients. Contributions about related subjects like formats, draws, seedings, etc. are welcome.
I don't like if contributions are becoming close to fan mail.
I don't like the length of the thread.
Maybe I should put a maximum on the number of replies, instead of a chat room.

Well, who cares.
This forum is just for fun.
And we are all grown-ups, aren't we?
As I wrote in the info: "In case of any kind of trouble the forum will be closed."
And that includes all kinds of insults.